>Fighting for having firmware/software updates disallowed is not fighting for freedom.
On the contrary: it limits the amount of control over the hardware the manufacturer has to what was built in to begin with. Users being allowed to "update" only with black box magic doesn't give users any more control over it.
I'm with @lxo : this is a difference between 'open source' and actual software freedom - agency over the device itself requires more than merely black box updates, but maybe in the "open source" worldview this isn't actually desirable.
> Open source software is in fact a black box to most people.
If someone has an issue with Free Software, they can go to someone with the skill and tools necessary to audit and change it. Software Freedom gives them that ability. This has been an issue since the beginning of the free software movement -- that not everyone is a developer. But with access to the corresponding source code people can learn, and design social institutions around learning and teaching about that code. The whole of society can wrap tighter around the harder to understand parts and deal with them as sources of complexity to the extent they become problems.
> Even for software developers, they're still trusting the people making it.
There's a certain degree of trust, sure, which is why it's crucial that we build a basis for that trust in
> The idea that preventing people updating firmware or even preventing replacing it with different firmware is somehow more free is nonsensical.
Of course you're free to update firmware if you have the tools. But if the firmware is proprietary, what you are doing is incorporating proprietary software into your life -- a harmful act to the world around you. And the control you get is illusory and fleeting - it will work until it doesn't, and then you have no idea why. It behaves *like almost-impossible to troubleshoot hardware*.
>Taking away a capability from users to use as they wish is not giving them freedom.
the analogous situation is this
"Not being able to run proprietary software on my free OS doesn't make you more free"
Perhaps so - having some functionality to load firmware even proprietary firmware is justifiable. Just like being able to run proprietary games on linux is desirable by some people. But the actual loading of that firmware is an antisocial and harmful act, and an act that introduces an incredible amount of complexity and distrust into a device and a situation. And in fact, not having proprietary games *does* make you more free, even if you *can* install it -- to a measurable amount. Similarly for firmware: most non-cpu devices will simply not work if the firmware isn't present. Perhaps there are some that will work more poorly - that is a *hardware design flaw*.
Generally speaking, however, take your issues about being *allowed* or not to upload oem-poisoned firmware to someone else. I'm not stopping you from uploading firmware on your own hardware. But it'll stay as disabled as I can make it on mine.
@GrapheneOS@Starkimarm@tris@SuperDicq@toatrika@lxo I think the compromise here is acknowledging there's prorprietary firmware bits on existing hardware to get rid of, and not adding to them, but something tells me you don't agree with that.
>Most people find it to be ridiculous nonsense, not only us.
Appealing to the *appearnce* of ridiculousness is a logical fallacy. What's *actually* ridiculous is expecting anyone to trust a firmware update on faith alone.
@whiteman_@BowsacNoodle allah is just another name for the christian god - early christians even used it. And allah isn't the only name of god either -- muslims, jews & christians have many names for him. (al-mumit al-alim al-quddus al-rahman al-muqtadir Yōd-Hē etc)
>It is thought to be derived by contraction from al-ilāh (الاله, lit. 'the god') and is linguistically related to God's names in other Semitic languages, such as Aramaic (ܐܲܠܵܗܵܐ ʼAlāhā) and Hebrew (אֱלוֹהַּ ʾĔlōah).
@whiteman_@BowsacNoodle i've heard the same said about regular christians from mormons, mormons from regular christians, christians about jews, muslims about jews...
and i've read the qur'an at least 3 times cover to cover, 3 different translations, along with the big 6 sunni hadiths, the shi'a al-kafi, the ibadi hadiths... They probably actually agree with you about homosexuality and probably bestiality at least in my readings.
@BowsacNoodle@mitchconner he is ALWAYS condescending and he is condescending here. He is speaking down to iran as if they are some US plaything.
and you need enrichment equipment in order to DO civilian nuclear power - he's lying about that.
also: trump has shown no restraint at all, but has been acting like a damn toddler. demanding "TOTAL SURRENDER" from a sovereign nation goes further than even bush went.
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