@misty@cwebber@ryanprior and like, if three highly skilled experienced engineers can't reliably spot a figurative six fingered hand in a 30 line diff, what chance does a non-specialist have? worse, people are rightly suspicious, but that's also translated to professional artists getting falsely accused of slop peddling because visual literacy is generally really bad
@misty@cwebber@ryanprior I think also the more slop you see without realizing its slop, the more the alien noise phenomena becomes invisible to you because you get passively trained to see it as normal. The only antidote I've been able to think of so far is to look at as much real art as you can, read as much real code as you can, and so on; and think deeply about it.
@misty@cwebber@ryanprior I had the unique experience of performing my first code review of a pull request that was known up front to be slop, and it was blessedly straight forward and even though I was reading it with suspicion it seemed fine... until I realized that part of it was just complete nonsense like a thing that literally does nothing that nobody would write that benefits nobody and it slipped by at least two other people!!!
@misty@cwebber@ryanprior it's like that video where they tell you to pay attention to the students passing basketballs around or whatever and you do that thinking they're going to try and pull a fast one on you and you don't see the guy wearing the gorilla suit walking by.
@misty@cwebber@ryanprior and like yeah there's shit that doesn't make sense in that cartoon. people who don't know how to draw with structured perspective don't draw like that. people who know how to draw with structured perspective and simply choose not to also don't draw like that. there's all these random details that nobody would bother with if they were in a hurry and if they weren't in a hurry they'd be bothered by the inconsistency
@cwebber@ryanprior@misty I don't put too much weight into the sloppy perspective, but the track lights morphing into molding and the lines of code sign extending past the corner are a dead ringer for something odd going. there's also this sort of mushy inconsistent softness in places that I have *only* ever seen in ai generated stuff (its subtle but you can see it in the nonsensical graph diagram labeled "pull requests" if you zoom in)
@cwebber@ryanprior@misty the lack of a signature is an interesting tell. I usually don't sign my own art, but I'm not a professional artist and I don't think I've ever seen a newspaper cartoonist who doesn't sign their art.
I'm just kinda fascinated that slop can pass cursory examination and sometimes detailed examination because slop machines don't make mistakes so much as generate nonsense that is so alien it's invisible at first until you spot it and even then it's confusing because people don't do that but people do lots of things so our natural tendency is to try to make sense of it based on what we know.
i can't believe i spent the summer of '16 teaching military drones how to loiter in a large crowd of millennials milling about in one specific corner of Loyola Beach Park for long enough to make the cops nervous
@dreid@dalias I have a similar theory, that one could produce a really good search engine out of something along the lines of a federated bookmark sharing system, and the web-of-trust strat would be a practical curation strategy. The hard parts are unfortunately not the technical aspects however. If I didn't have to work for a living I'd probably take this on as a major personal project, but given the major time sink it would be I don't know how to fit it into my life otherwise.
@dreid@dalias oh! I did not know about common crawl. Ever since I came across marginalia I've been curious to experiment with making my own search engine, but I've been unsure how to go about the data gathering part.
@dalias so tbh as much as I'd love to see a source for that claim, i have an easy time believing it because their results were surprisingly similar to duck duck go's in my brief test of it so far, though I also found stuff I wasn't able to find via duck duck go so idk.
@dalias the problem of "how on earth do you make a new search engine today" is a super interesting problem since a significant part of the web has some kind of anti-bot challenge screen. I figured they must have had to make an under the table deal with cloud flare or something. Aggregating google and bing would be much simpler though.
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