Notices by 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org), page 19

@elijah

Im so confused, what website exactly? The publisher according to Steam is Ultra Games, the ultragames website has been registered since the start of the internet almost... Can you be specific cause im not seeing what you are seeing.

@stux

@Ponygirl By the way, new thread (for tomorrow). I noticed you are a speech therapist. I recently noticed, through my own observations, that accent acquisition seems to occur **before** language acquisition. I notice this in babies who cant form words yet, but also in animals who havent quite evolved speech yet but can communicate, for example I have noticed it in both cats and dogs.

Any thoughts on this?

@Ponygirl

The objective morality bit seems to be a hot topic anytime i bring it up with anyone... most people seem to have an almost visceral reaction and disagreement to the notion that morality can be objective rather than a pure cultural construct.

I argue its both, while on the one hand the measure of morality is objective (quantity of suffering) ont he other hand what will cause suffering is very much influenced by culture. If a culture covers women up (like muslim cultures) then forcing a woman to wear very little would cause most women to suffer more so than forcing them not to. In a society where women usually expose more like west societies the opposite is true, most women would suffer more to have to cover up. Basically, whatever feels normal for your culture, usually there will be some degree of suffering to depart from that. But my whole argument is that the suffering needs to be measured in aggregate and not just the emotional component.

Anyway im rambling, have a good night, it was a pleasure.

@bonifartius @louis

@Ponygirl

> I think we're in agreement about capitalism. It has the capacity to being a thriving economic system; however, it must be governed to avoid where we're at now-

I assume you mean USA's capitalist government, as opposed to europe, which is also capitalist of course but with their own take?

> a guilded era where economic injustice is proving Dr. King to have been spot on over a half century ago.

We certainly have quite a few economic issues that could be address. I'd imagine the devil is in the details so im not sure if we agree on the points (since we didnt dig that deep) but i certainly agree on the principle that there are economic issues that need addressing, many of which revolve around poverty and prosperity.

> Just wondering, your statement about morality and law enforcement, do you mean laws should be enforced morally, or that laws should legislate morality itself?

My view is that law should enforce the "objective morality" as a guiding principle. When I saw objective morality I mean "That which reduces suffering to its utmost" which to me is really all morality is, a societal agreement on some rules designed to minimize the overall suffering of society, to effectively minimize unhappiness and maximize happiness. So I think all laws should be designed with that principle in mind.

@bonifartius @louis

@stux

Seems you made some mistakes. I cant speak to all the points but just did some research ont he company out of curiosity. They appear to exist, and the USA division was formed in 1988 and have sold games ever since then. The company that made paradise is their Hong Kong office. They have made tons of famous games.

@bonifartius

I think you may just be particularly senative to anti-capitalist discussion because so often it devolves into nonsense, and I do get that. Might I suggest we give ponygirl the benefit of the doubt here that it wont go that far based on how reasonable she has been in debate so far?

That said while, as you know, I have no issues with capitalism, and even think its good when implemented properly, I kinda agree with ponygirl on this one. While you are right that it is perfectly ok for the wealthy to do more or have more than the poor, I dont think that should carry over to the law. The law is one place everyone should be equal, and being wealthy should not make you immune to some laws while the poor not. Laws should be about morality, and enforcing it. Something doesnt become right just because you have more money to get around the rules. Now I wouldnt blame the wealthy person, they are just working within the system. But it certainly is an indication that there is a failure in the law when that happens.

@Ponygirl @louis

@Ponygirl

Oh so sorry. I should have checked. I have a very bad habit of defaulting to "he" online for some reason, particularly if i dont know someone. IT can be very rude and not intentional though, my apologies. Ill try not to make that mistake again.

@bonifartius @louis

@Ponygirl

I too have enjoyed the respectful debate and so long as it remains respectful you are always welcome on my feed.

In Boni's defense im not sure she is ignoring class warfare so much as agreeing with you to an extent. At least thats how I read it. Like anything solved via threat of arrest is violence and cant solve this problem, so seems she at least agrees with you that outlawing abortion under threat of arrest is not the answer (though if i had to guess I suspect she might be against abortion morally).

@bonifartius @louis

@bonifartius

Just to be clear he is more than welcome on my threads. He has been nothing but polite and if he wants to look through my threads and jump in, so long as he remains respectful, it is more than welcome.

@Ponygirl @louis

@Ponygirl

You mean int he current system, in which case I agree. Obviously if it is blanket outlawed than those scenarios would still mean jail time, so in that scenario your point isnt valid, but with the current state it is entirely valid.

@bonifartius @louis

@evacide

That pretty much describes the last 8 years.. 4 more years of the same I guess. But I agree it is gonna keep getting worse.

@GreenFire

Assuming we are talking about a multifaceted discussion then id agree with that

@Ponygirl

I agree with this given the current situation where a person can just go get the procedure in some other state.

Though if it were a total ban, and even illegal to go out of your area to get one, then even the wealthy wouldnt be able to get an abortion. But thats not the case, so what we have right now what you are saying is certainly true, and a bit issue IMO.

@bonifartius @louis

@Ponygirl

> I assure you, I'm not undecided about the existence of Thor et al.

If you are in no way undecided, presumably that you have determined therefore that Thor (and any god) does not exist, there is nothing wrong with that stance. It just happens to be a faith based position requiring the same amount of faith as any religion. That said, I'd agree you are, in fact, an atheist then.

> It is not my job to refute an assertion;

No one asked you to refute it.

> it's the job of the claimant to provide evidence,

Absolutely, that is not in question. The question is, when evidence is lacking to prove the lack of existence, or existence, of a thing (in this case god) do you take a faith based position and assume that means god does not exist, or do you take an evidence based approach and claim you do not have enough information to determine if god exists or not. Not being able to prove a thing exists is not proof it doesnt exist, thats the whole point.

> There is no credible evidence of deities;

Correct, that is my whole point, just as there is no credible evidence of the lack of deties. The whole point here is there is no evidence for either state.

> therefore, I live my life with No God/ess beliefs.

Also not what is in question. Both an agnostic atheist and a non-agnostic atheist will have this stance. The question is if you are an agnostic atheist (an evidence based approach that does not claim gods dont exist, nor do they claim they do, you simply dont have enough information to decide) or a non-agnostic atheist (a faith based position where despite a lack of evidence showing the non-existence of deities you take the faith based position that there are no deities).

> The literal definition of atheist.

As I said before the definition of the actual word is not the important part to me. There are two definitions of atheist, one that includes agnostics and one that doesnt. There is little doubt your one of these two types of atheist based on your answers, the question is simply if your an agnostic atheist (evidence based) or a non-agnostic atheist (faith based).

@ryan

@louis

Well technically metal is a type of rock so.....

@freeschool Yea the lack of moving your posts is a bit of lockin. With some minor hacking you can probably get your posts exported to fedipage if you can write a simple script to onvert your exported posts into markdown.

@freeschool

I mean look, this isnt a paid service, its a charity. So I certainly never claimed to make any specific promises in terms of how quick we can add new features or fix bugs. If you feel the pace isnt something acceptable, you should move servers. I dont say that out of hostility or anger but just as a statement of fact, there is no promise or garuntee of service so if you need better service you should go somewhere that gives you what you need.

I have made it quite clear that I cant promise deadlines, I can at best give wildly vague estimates and if you want a better sense of timeline you would have to come to the chat and ask or watch the progress. That is still the case, at best I can give you generalities.

Everything we said has literally been followed through on, or will be, you are upset at the time it takes, and while that is understandable it is not the same as "not following through"... we just got through with a **massive upgrade** we worked months on and while it took longer than expected we followed through, so it is neither accurate nor fair to say we dont follow through, the timeline takes what it takes and you cant really predict development well.

@Gina Good to hear about the rants... I got worried there for a second, I can only take so much positivity! :)

@stux No need to single out fox. You can literally pick almost any major American news organization and this is true.

The vibe in the USA right now.