@alex there've been bot-related costs and malicious traffic for as long as i can remember, but this feels like it's intensified massively everywhere. it gets harder and harder to imagine a network where public-by-default keeps being a viable approach.
@chrisamaphone spot on, but ... bog-standard devs want tools, they don't seem to mind using materials as crude tools. They'd probably happier with 4GL or the like, but they are stuck with libraries and frameworks?
I think only a minority of devs want materials, and there probably is enough of that in #Lisp or #Smalltalk or #Prolog or #Forth alone!
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@treefit I am convinced that such a bot can do exactly what an app server does in a web app, except it can be run "on a desk" letting the e-mail/chatmail server do the Internetting.
So, I am a Strong No. First, because I agree with a lot of commenters that there is no single governance model for the Fediverse. But second, because I don't think volunteer-run servers with only loose affinity with users is a good structure for admins' mental health and for users' account reliability. I'd like to see more people using household servers, servers from their employer or university, coop servers, and servers as public infrastructure.
@evan the downside of holepunch is it is in heavyyy active development and almost no one can keep up with its changes .. so maybe when it settes it will be usable.. that said i have used its predecessors dat / hypercore and they worked incredibly well.
also cabal runs on hypercore and is the most rock solid p2p chat application that no one knows about.
Peertube is to Youtube what Mastodon is to Twitter. But better because people don’t need to create an account, they can subscribe to your videos channel directely with their Mastodon account (or other Fediverse tool).
@jackwilliambell I had tangential thoughts like this, basically fediverse servers should store posts on content-addressable systems like IPFS, ensure only as much redundancy as they want and reduce storage costs. If it could be done on Bittorrent instead of IPFS, all the better!
@kayla Great! Do you have a write-up or notes on your experiences? Could be valuable, especially since I too have an AMD mini-ITX around unused (Kabini APU). I want/need to build a "NAS+" (personal media replication, security footage recording, bookmarking, chat, maybe a blog served from the home? #SelfHost#EMail fantasy too?) @shine
@jaromil as an OK Devuan user, I do wonder if more drastic steps are warranted, like #HyperbolaBSD . I value #Debian's solidity, which is diluted in Devuan though.
@mathias no tool exists for this, but I imagine having all data as a Bittorrent seed and having peers clone it and reseed it would be great. Or IPFS. Or Perkeep.
@strypey@praveen@snikket_im The great thing about #deltachat is that it already uses the largest federated platform on the planet, email :) When users are both using the client conversations are automatically encrypted, and when they're not, you can still send messages to regular emails:)
Just posting this here for others that may be following this conversation delta.chat/en/
Regardless, great choice working with XMPP and all the best!
@praveen > going forward, we want users to subscribe to cover costs. We are in the process of registering as a coop
Sounds great. The aspirations of @snikket_im and Prav seem very closely aligned, and I'm sure collaboration would be welcome. You may know this already, but for the record, Snikket is is not a co-op, but is it registered as a not-for-profit social enterprise in the UK.
pro-libre software, pro-holisticismpro-communalism, anti-consumerismanti-witchhuntsfan of #Plan9 and #HaikuOSI write software (C++) for a living.#Emacs #Prolog #Erlang #SelfHosted