@Suiseiseki The main reason why Stallman has even made distributing the source code a requirement is because reverse-engineering software is a fucking nightmare and a specialty of a few professionals. Most people can't really audit this mess, like, at all. Even C and assembly language are piss-hard to audit and debug. So no, the source code doesn't really matter if we can just disassemble the entire program with a press of a button. But we can't really do it. @curiousthinker
Ehhhhhhhhhh… That's not really the main thing they support. FSF supports software freedom. They also support software freedom. So they support FSF. It's not that they support FSF and therefore support software freedom.
I do occasionally call them "FSF fans" as opposed to "OSI fans" but… Eh, I dunno, the organization that represents software freedom isn't as important. We just don't have any others that aren't othwr branches of FSF like FSFE and FSFLA. Also maybe EFF but software freedom isn't EFF's main concern. So technically they are GNU/FSF/FSFE/FSFLA/SFC/SFLC/Mozilla/Tor/EFF supporters. But that's a mouthful.
@lanodan Stallman does not criticize Perens in particular but the open-source community and OSI. Against Perens he doesn't hold personal grudges, he never expressed his hatred for Perens anywhere ever. It's a folly to associate communities or organizations with one single person connected to them. A community is always a generalization, not an expression of the individual's motives and uniqueness. It's about consensus, ideological status-quo, spooks if you will.
On the other hand, I don’t think that really applies to GNU/FSF.
>willingly ignoring the egoist telekommunist branch
Look. None of the communities are exactly homogenous in the first place. Moreover, even if you say “Open Source” you’re not necessarily an open-source advocate (like with Perens). Some people (wrongly) think that saying “Open Source” is less ambiguous but that doesn’t mean they aren’t still libre software supporters. Some libre software supporters may have personal grudges against RMS or FSF. That also doesn’t make them not libre software supporters. Yes, many libre software supporters support RMS and FSF because they have solidarity with them but it isn’t necessarily the case. There’s a lot of gray area but the point is made about the generally accepted ideologies rather than more specific cases. Thinking that either of these communities are homogenous is misguided.
@lanodan In a way it's like equating all socialists, even egoist ones, as basically Stalinites. Obviously it couldn't be further from the truth. "Socialism" is just an umbrella term, it only denotes vague commonalities. There are all kinds of schisms going on. Same with libre software supporters. Like, aside from egoists vs moralists we have rivalries between Lispers and traditional programmers, we have those who support Codes of Conduct and those who despise them, we have libre software moderates and libre software maximalists, etc., etc.
Yes. I get it. But Stallman mainly opposes the official position. And generally, many people who advocate for Open Source also support the official position. Same for libre software supporters. That's why they're generalizations: it's not an attack on people but on a certain mindset. You may not like the general mindset of the libre software supporters. That is fine, it is your choice. But again, Stallman doesn't attack individual people. He doesn't attack the open-source supporters' personal character (something I notice many times when someone attacks the libre software crowd), it's simply the issue of common goals and core organizations (which, again, not everyone may share but that's not what Stallman is talking about). That's it. This is the main difference. Or perhaps you think that Stallman has an issue with how people act? Even if he does, it isn't the core of his critique of the open-source movement.
FSF supporters are part of it but you're right… I think clearer terms would be "software freedom supporters" and "open-source development model supporters." That's what I mean by "libre software supporters" and "Open Source supporters."
Vending machines for burgers sound based but I am concerned about the quality of the food. Also, if nobody buys it it will get thrown away. Which sucks, so much waste.
@Suiseiseki FOSS/FLOSS acronyms are a joke, everyone deciphers them however they want, they have no consistency and don't convey any meaningful message. @grillchen
@Suiseiseki Also, saying "free software" is no better than saying "open-source software." Which means it's a terrible name that, again, doesn't make it apparent that it's its own type of software rather than freeware or just a source code made publically available. I may support Stallman but I will not back down from this opinion, I think the name was simply an oversight on Stallman's part which due to bureaucracy he cannot change. @grillchen
@curiousthinker I think the problem with your thinking is that you have an essentialist mindset when it comes to identity, you think that people of specific groups behave in a certain way. Which is no more than an illusion. I may be a libre software advocate. But I'm also a Stirnerite. That puts me at odds with even the people within the libre software movement, egoist telekommunism is a niche within a niche, I am a misfit even within the libre software community itself, even compared to Stallman himself. I have my own ideas of what ends the libre software is supposed to serve, my own views on ethics and the ideas of "right" and "wrong," which are pretty much incompatible with the libre software movement's consensus. Libre software movement is mostly a liberal movement. And I am a post-leftist. Big difference. @Suiseiseki
@nyx He's at least partially correct, the reason why Linux was subverted was simply because Linus isn't a libre software advocate by any stretch of imagination, he doesn't give a shit.
The name "GNU+Linux" was partly made to distance GNU from Linux, not to appropriate Linux. Unlike calling it "GNU" or "Linux." @Suiseiseki
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