Notices by 𝓼𝓮𝓻𝓪𝓹𝓪𝓽𝓱【ツ】☮(📍🇬🇧) (serapath@mastodon.gamedev.place), page 3

Is that an accurate description when comparing nostr to bluesky or mastodon or even more centralized social networks?

@pravee_n @cwebber
mastodon is anyway new.
i have seen ppl cross post from mastodon to nostr.

https://mostr.pub/

swiching always costs, thats why it is so important to switch to where you dont risk of having a future musk rug pull your experience 🙂

@pravee_n @cwebber

lol.
why not go and stay on X or facebook then?

oh maybe because they are run by musk and zuck? ...twitter wasnt until it got bought and that can happen to bluesky as well. they will also add ads, they already announced. enshittification is guaranteed.

UI/UX on mastoson is great. tou say the vluesky one is better? thats really subjective. ...so kinda decentralization matters when it comes to FB and X ...but once it comes to nostr/blsky.. then its UX?

isnt that funny?

@pravee_n @cwebber

bluesky can be bought.
mastodon cant, but federating with the big corporate backed ones and lobbying, maybe buying big instances allows big money to defederate with small instances, cutting off the vast majority of big instance users from the rest.

it is the same power gmail and other big ones have over small email providers.

they can filter/block you from talking to the users on big email providers, making is slightly inconvenient for those, but unusable for independents

@pravee_n @cwebber

the option is to kove to nostr.

move to p2p.
move beyond the fediverse.

the flaws of the fediverse are known since email.

@cwebber

Why give them soooooo much space?
Why talk soooo much about bluesky?

Did they pay you for it?
I havent seen you do this for other platforms, especially when mastodon and even nostr exist that are way more decentralized. It seems kinda weird and unexpected 🤷

@DavidBruchmann @cwebber

its just a question.
i have rarely seen such long statements and i just wonder 🙂

i am not disagreeing with what she said, but it is long and way too polite imho.

apart from that, the connection i can see is spritely cofounded by randy farmer, friend of chip morningstar and mark miller and ocap being used in agoric, which is chip morning star and mark miller... built on top of cosmos, which is web3.

Bluesky is web3 as well as stated by the CEO of bluesky, thus - same

@strypey @rabble

I think it really depends on what people are looking for.
People need to ask themselves why not facebook or any of the traditional centralized social networks.

And then take that answer and see what guidance is gives when choosong between nostr, bluesky or mastodon.

nostr has way more potential than the others in terms of avoiding centralized overlords and all the downsides we saw on X or facebook, while still allowing all you could wish for in terms of moderation

@strypey @rabble

Technically you are correct, the "best" kind of correct. Practically people wont self host just as they dont self host email servers. Practically a few big ones will win, just like with email.
Practically, the big ones blocking or muting other instances will have a lot of power to incentivize joining the big instances so the big instances gain even more power and others are somewhat cut off from useful social interactions

There are multiple artificial and unnecessaey problems

@strypey @rabble
lets see how nomadic identity or account portability works.

But practically speaking. Nostr already avoids the need for choosing a specific instance. Every instance or even multiple in parallel are all just as valid as your own. It doesnt matter from which instqnce you send your next message. Your keypair signs the message means it comes from you. Thats fundamentally different.

Moving beyond that even, peer to peer allows self hosting without the need for setting up servers

@strypey @rabble

i'm not sure what those cons are meant to be.

moderation can be implemented permissionlessly. nostr idea is it is simple and ppl can just implement stuff on top permissionlessly.

dat project https://cabal.chat implemented trust nets or subjective moderation, which allows people to freely choose their moderators or do it themselves. tools are follow, ubfollow, mute, block, etc... subscribe to specific content. configure your own algorithms.

@strypey

unsolicited is literally many messages here on mastodon. i dont follow everyone i see messages from.
people have different interests.
i do understand you personally dislike bitcoin.

i personally dislike web3/crypto/shitcoins.
i am interested in bitcoin, because i definitly see some potential here.

not that it was perfect. i can see problems, but i also see problems with the status quo capitalism and weighing thing, bitcoin seems useful.

@strypey i never received that, but i also have my feed set to latwst from only folks i follow and replies to those.

so i dont get any of the other stuff.

still - i think the rest depends on the settings of the relays you add, and the list i have seems quite good, so cant complain about those issues

@strypey

not entirely.
the difference is, your identity by which everyone knows you does not include the name of any relay AND your data is stored in a particular server and you better hope the instance operator knows how to properly do backups.

in nostr your identity is your `nsec` keypair which works with any client and any relay. you dont have to choose one.

And you cant get your data from any of them and have additional backup servers... this gets even more true with peer to peer.

@strypey

like in bittorrent. as long as one peer has your data, you can restore it. bittorrent syncs data from everyone at the same time. There is no particular server that you have to choose to store your data. and any peer can be an additional backup.

you yourself can make a backup trivially, just by installing a client on a new device and logging in. it will sync all your data automatically. no expert knowledge required

@strypey

yes.
i agree.
there is still an unfullfilled promose to open source keet UI when it hits beta.

if thats the case, then it would match my standards. ...if not, then maybe dat ecosystem has to try to make a keet compatible client that is open source

- Bitcoin is an exit from the Fed.

- Social media is an exit from mass media and fediverse from controlled social media

- Homeschooling is an exit from industrial education.

- Remote work is an exit from 9-5.

- Creator economy is an exit from employment.

Individuals are leaving institutions.

@FinalOverdrive @mekkaokereke

"not at the moment" ?

Maybe you never build on top of a social network and then lost all that effort when it went to shit?

We the people need to be empowered.
No more overlords to monetize our activities.

Bluesky is a step backwards.
They give you candies, but sugar is bad.

Nostr is a step forward.
Peer to peer would bring us even further...
Still, mastodon is great and at least somwhat properly federated 🙂

@mekkaokereke @dveditz @bbmin7b5 @root @james

I am making statements about bluesky.
You are making statements about me.

biases, preconceived notions ...and argue about superiority and inferiority.

If you like hiking, you might prefer a national park over a crowded city... so in the context of hiking, hikers might say cities are inferior to crowded cities.

People have other reasons for choosing cities.

I said stuff about bluesky, not people.

@mekkaokereke @dveditz @bbmin7b5 @root @james

Not what i said.
Bluesky is bad.
Bluesky users who are into people controlling their own data and means of communication with each other probably are just victims of bluesky influencer marketing or they might actually not care - hard to say - they would know best.

But everyone who does care should definitely avoid bluesky.

Mastodon isnt perfect - i'm not even a big fan, but it is more decentralized.
#nostr would be even better.