Notices by 𝓼𝓮𝓻𝓪𝓹𝓪𝓽𝓱【ツ】☮(📍🇨🇦) (serapath@mastodon.gamedev.place), page 3

@bhaugen @smallcircles @cwebber

Of course, but what are all the modalities you might opt into. How exactly does the support look like?

That's more what i meant - of course, the choices (1.) and (2.) you mention seem obvious. If (1.) exists and you like it, join it. If not, you can only choose (2.) or waiting longer for somebody else to choose (2.)

Every such network was at some point started using option (2.) ...but what modalities would you choose when setting it up? what are the options?

@bhaugen @smallcircles @cwebber

I agree here as well.
Of course - i wanted to leave open how one might tackle the issue, but I do think that direction is the right direction.

The issue is probalby by starting it in this way, a lot more opinions are baked in, thus - what is the least opinionated way of approaching this? 🙂

That is a tough one

@lritter 😍 thank you so much. Nobody ever said that about me.
Now i feel special, but there are still so many billions out there...

...on the other hand, if you recommend everyone like that, ...it would make me feel less special.

I wonder why though? 🤔

@lritter HA! So your keeping it artificially scarce. I'm not so sure if that is really a world we want. Dont we want a world of abundance?

@smallcircles @cwebber

IETF and all big standard bodies are the old way of doing things. its the wrong place to look

@smallcircles @cwebber

i'd prefer to burn down all those temples. fuck them tbh. we need to make it work grassroots.

the most recent impactful movement that was successfully torpedoed by microsoft was nodejs and npm growth.

the reason they were successful was money.

The nodejs ecosystem grew up and figured its not sustainable for them.

Every used open source repo must be part of supply chains automatically and receive funds to make it sustainable. Without, any movement will fail again imho

@lritter

i find being recommended by @lritter is scarce.
Why not give everyone in the world free recommendation? is t that scarcity kinda annoying?

it keeps the exclusive club of those who have a recommendation from @lritter and everyone else is left to their own devices

Is that an accurate description when comparing nostr to bluesky or mastodon or even more centralized social networks?

@pravee_n @cwebber
mastodon is anyway new.
i have seen ppl cross post from mastodon to nostr.

https://mostr.pub/

swiching always costs, thats why it is so important to switch to where you dont risk of having a future musk rug pull your experience 🙂

@pravee_n @cwebber

lol.
why not go and stay on X or facebook then?

oh maybe because they are run by musk and zuck? ...twitter wasnt until it got bought and that can happen to bluesky as well. they will also add ads, they already announced. enshittification is guaranteed.

UI/UX on mastoson is great. tou say the vluesky one is better? thats really subjective. ...so kinda decentralization matters when it comes to FB and X ...but once it comes to nostr/blsky.. then its UX?

isnt that funny?

@pravee_n @cwebber

bluesky can be bought.
mastodon cant, but federating with the big corporate backed ones and lobbying, maybe buying big instances allows big money to defederate with small instances, cutting off the vast majority of big instance users from the rest.

it is the same power gmail and other big ones have over small email providers.

they can filter/block you from talking to the users on big email providers, making is slightly inconvenient for those, but unusable for independents

@pravee_n @cwebber

the option is to kove to nostr.

move to p2p.
move beyond the fediverse.

the flaws of the fediverse are known since email.

@cwebber

Why give them soooooo much space?
Why talk soooo much about bluesky?

Did they pay you for it?
I havent seen you do this for other platforms, especially when mastodon and even nostr exist that are way more decentralized. It seems kinda weird and unexpected 🤷

@DavidBruchmann @cwebber

its just a question.
i have rarely seen such long statements and i just wonder 🙂

i am not disagreeing with what she said, but it is long and way too polite imho.

apart from that, the connection i can see is spritely cofounded by randy farmer, friend of chip morningstar and mark miller and ocap being used in agoric, which is chip morning star and mark miller... built on top of cosmos, which is web3.

Bluesky is web3 as well as stated by the CEO of bluesky, thus - same

@strypey @rabble

I think it really depends on what people are looking for.
People need to ask themselves why not facebook or any of the traditional centralized social networks.

And then take that answer and see what guidance is gives when choosong between nostr, bluesky or mastodon.

nostr has way more potential than the others in terms of avoiding centralized overlords and all the downsides we saw on X or facebook, while still allowing all you could wish for in terms of moderation

@strypey @rabble

Technically you are correct, the "best" kind of correct. Practically people wont self host just as they dont self host email servers. Practically a few big ones will win, just like with email.
Practically, the big ones blocking or muting other instances will have a lot of power to incentivize joining the big instances so the big instances gain even more power and others are somewhat cut off from useful social interactions

There are multiple artificial and unnecessaey problems

@strypey @rabble
lets see how nomadic identity or account portability works.

But practically speaking. Nostr already avoids the need for choosing a specific instance. Every instance or even multiple in parallel are all just as valid as your own. It doesnt matter from which instqnce you send your next message. Your keypair signs the message means it comes from you. Thats fundamentally different.

Moving beyond that even, peer to peer allows self hosting without the need for setting up servers

@strypey @rabble

i'm not sure what those cons are meant to be.

moderation can be implemented permissionlessly. nostr idea is it is simple and ppl can just implement stuff on top permissionlessly.

dat project https://cabal.chat implemented trust nets or subjective moderation, which allows people to freely choose their moderators or do it themselves. tools are follow, ubfollow, mute, block, etc... subscribe to specific content. configure your own algorithms.

@strypey

unsolicited is literally many messages here on mastodon. i dont follow everyone i see messages from.
people have different interests.
i do understand you personally dislike bitcoin.

i personally dislike web3/crypto/shitcoins.
i am interested in bitcoin, because i definitly see some potential here.

not that it was perfect. i can see problems, but i also see problems with the status quo capitalism and weighing thing, bitcoin seems useful.

@strypey i never received that, but i also have my feed set to latwst from only folks i follow and replies to those.

so i dont get any of the other stuff.

still - i think the rest depends on the settings of the relays you add, and the list i have seems quite good, so cant complain about those issues