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   Dave Troy :toad: (davetroy@toad.social)'s status on Sunday, 17-Nov-2024 03:58:26 JST Dave Troy :toad:

   1/There is nothing more embarrassing than watching hordes of liberals willingly herd themselves into a pen funded by Russian capital. Blue sky’s principal funder Blockchain Capital LLC is run in part by Kirill Dorofeev, who also works for VK, Russia’s state social network.

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     mark (atleagle@mastodon.online)'s status on Sunday, 17-Nov-2024 03:58:24 JST mark

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     @davetroy i spoken with several people that have liked going over there. It seems like the network lock in effect carried over with so many people moving at once. When I point out that it's no longer run by the visionary, and that it's sold out to VC, and that it was no other choice but to follow the money squeezing path... I get looked at like I'm wearing a tin foil hat.

     I have a literal degree in enshitification. I could consult any business on strategy for monetization. It's only time now

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     Dave Troy :toad: (davetroy@toad.social)'s status on Sunday, 17-Nov-2024 03:58:25 JST Dave Troy :toad:

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     2/Be aware you are effectively operating behind enemy lines. It may be tactically useful to do so, but don’t pretend there is anything “good” happening here. For all the talk about critical thinking, folks could try using some for once. 🤦

     https://www.linkedin.com/posts/joecardillo_bluesky-bigtech-socialmedia-activity-7263206291139932161-BTim

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     Mastodon Migration (mastodonmigration@mastodon.online)'s status on Sunday, 17-Nov-2024 21:44:08 JST Mastodon Migration

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     It's like a bad teen horror movie, where you're yelling and the screen, "Don't go into the basement," and you just know they are going to go into the basement.

     #Bluesky

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     Mastodon Migration (mastodonmigration@mastodon.online)'s status on Sunday, 17-Nov-2024 21:44:13 JST Mastodon Migration

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     @davetroy

     So, here's the question. Is anyone in our illustrious Tech Media going to do some reporting on the ownership of Bluesky and these ties ☝️, or is it just going to continue to be a parade of puff pieces?

     It would seem that they have a duty to inform their audience, but of course, that hasn't worked too well in the past.

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     Strypey (strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Nov-2024 09:17:02 JST Strypey

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     @williampietri
     > That's the natural outcome of building stuff to free-speech-absolutist ideals

     I reject this whole 'free speech = awful stuff' framing. There's no need to demonise freedom of speech to argue for moderation tools.

     The fediverse totally respects freedom of speech. Anyone can spin up an ActivityPub server and say whatever they want.

     It also totally respects freedom of association. Any person or server can choose not to receive speech from any other person or server.

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     Strypey (strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Nov-2024 09:17:03 JST Strypey

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     @williampietri
     > Dorsey is now backing Nostr, which doesn't do that, and is consequently full of awful stuff

     So is the fediverse, in theory;

     https://www.theverge.com/2023/7/24/23806093/mastodon-csam-study-decentralized-network

     Doesn't mean we have to see any of it.

     We are seeing experiments with cross-server moderation in the verse (IFTAS etc). The same principles can and will be used by @rabble et al to develop effective distributed moderation for Nostr, for those who want it.

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     William Pietri (williampietri@sfba.social)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Nov-2024 09:17:05 JST William Pietri

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     @strypey
     The way I make sense of it is that they aren't doing distributed moderation in the style that Dorsey wanted. They're just doing standard centralized moderation where they ban sufficiently awful people/content.

     In contrast, Dorsey is now backing Nostr, which doesn't do that, and is consequently full of awful stuff. That's the natural outcome of building stuff to free-speech-absolutist ideals.

     @stinerman @fifilamoura @davetroy

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     Strypey (strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Nov-2024 09:17:05 JST Strypey

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     @williampietri
     > they aren't doing distributed moderation in the style that Dorsey wanted. They're just doing standard centralized moderation where they ban sufficiently awful people/content

     Sounds like a reasonable criticism to me. Surely we've all seen centralized moderation fail spectacularly, enough times to know that it doesn't work at scale?

     @stinerman @fifilamoura @davetroy

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     Nathan A. Stine (stinerman@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Nov-2024 09:17:08 JST Nathan A. Stine

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     @fifilamoura @davetroy Dorsey left because Bluesky wanted to moderate.

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     Strypey (strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Nov-2024 09:17:08 JST Strypey

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     > Dorsey left because Bluesky wanted to moderate

     That makes no sense. Distributed moderation was part of the plan from day one.

     @fifilamoura @davetroy

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     Dave Troy :toad: (davetroy@toad.social)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Nov-2024 09:17:10 JST Dave Troy :toad:

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     @fifilamoura what they realized was that their decentralized tech wasn’t what users really wanted. They are following the path of Twitter now which is why Dorsey left. It is a cash burning machine.

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     Fifi Lamoura (fifilamoura@eldritch.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Nov-2024 09:17:10 JST Fifi Lamoura

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     @davetroy Is that really why Dorsey left? But, yeah, this new round of funding makes it all seem even more dubious.

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     Fifi Lamoura (fifilamoura@eldritch.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Nov-2024 09:17:12 JST Fifi Lamoura

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     @davetroy "decentralized foundation" hmmmm, it's not foundational if it's not actually part of the reality yet and integral to the implementation. It's still entirely conceptual and likely well out of the economic and technical reach of most people in practical terms.

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     Dave Troy :toad: (davetroy@toad.social)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Nov-2024 21:29:32 JST Dave Troy :toad:

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     3/Update: we have reached out to Blockchain Capital to confirm or deny questions posed here. So far they have not responded. However, we will share an updated analysis soon, and report any additional findings.