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   Dave Troy :toad: (davetroy@toad.social)'s status on Sunday, 17-Nov-2024 03:58:26 JST Dave Troy :toad:

   1/There is nothing more embarrassing than watching hordes of liberals willingly herd themselves into a pen funded by Russian capital. Blue sky’s principal funder Blockchain Capital LLC is run in part by Kirill Dorofeev, who also works for VK, Russia’s state social network.

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     mark (atleagle@mastodon.online)'s status on Sunday, 17-Nov-2024 03:58:24 JST mark

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     @davetroy i spoken with several people that have liked going over there. It seems like the network lock in effect carried over with so many people moving at once. When I point out that it's no longer run by the visionary, and that it's sold out to VC, and that it was no other choice but to follow the money squeezing path... I get looked at like I'm wearing a tin foil hat.

     I have a literal degree in enshitification. I could consult any business on strategy for monetization. It's only time now

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     Dave Troy :toad: (davetroy@toad.social)'s status on Sunday, 17-Nov-2024 03:58:25 JST Dave Troy :toad:

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     2/Be aware you are effectively operating behind enemy lines. It may be tactically useful to do so, but don’t pretend there is anything “good” happening here. For all the talk about critical thinking, folks could try using some for once. 🤦

     https://www.linkedin.com/posts/joecardillo_bluesky-bigtech-socialmedia-activity-7263206291139932161-BTim

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     Mastodon Migration (mastodonmigration@mastodon.online)'s status on Sunday, 17-Nov-2024 21:44:08 JST Mastodon Migration

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     @davetroy

     It's like a bad teen horror movie, where you're yelling and the screen, "Don't go into the basement," and you just know they are going to go into the basement.

     #Bluesky

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     Mastodon Migration (mastodonmigration@mastodon.online)'s status on Sunday, 17-Nov-2024 21:44:13 JST Mastodon Migration

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     @davetroy

     So, here's the question. Is anyone in our illustrious Tech Media going to do some reporting on the ownership of Bluesky and these ties ☝️, or is it just going to continue to be a parade of puff pieces?

     It would seem that they have a duty to inform their audience, but of course, that hasn't worked too well in the past.

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     Strypey (strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Nov-2024 09:17:02 JST Strypey

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     @williampietri
     > That's the natural outcome of building stuff to free-speech-absolutist ideals

     I reject this whole 'free speech = awful stuff' framing. There's no need to demonise freedom of speech to argue for moderation tools.

     The fediverse totally respects freedom of speech. Anyone can spin up an ActivityPub server and say whatever they want.

     It also totally respects freedom of association. Any person or server can choose not to receive speech from any other person or server.

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     Strypey (strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Nov-2024 09:17:03 JST Strypey

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     @williampietri
     > Dorsey is now backing Nostr, which doesn't do that, and is consequently full of awful stuff

     So is the fediverse, in theory;

     https://www.theverge.com/2023/7/24/23806093/mastodon-csam-study-decentralized-network

     Doesn't mean we have to see any of it.

     We are seeing experiments with cross-server moderation in the verse (IFTAS etc). The same principles can and will be used by @rabble et al to develop effective distributed moderation for Nostr, for those who want it.

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     William Pietri (williampietri@sfba.social)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Nov-2024 09:17:05 JST William Pietri

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     @strypey
     The way I make sense of it is that they aren't doing distributed moderation in the style that Dorsey wanted. They're just doing standard centralized moderation where they ban sufficiently awful people/content.

     In contrast, Dorsey is now backing Nostr, which doesn't do that, and is consequently full of awful stuff. That's the natural outcome of building stuff to free-speech-absolutist ideals.

     @stinerman @fifilamoura @davetroy

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     Strypey (strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Nov-2024 09:17:05 JST Strypey

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     @williampietri
     > they aren't doing distributed moderation in the style that Dorsey wanted. They're just doing standard centralized moderation where they ban sufficiently awful people/content

     Sounds like a reasonable criticism to me. Surely we've all seen centralized moderation fail spectacularly, enough times to know that it doesn't work at scale?

     @stinerman @fifilamoura @davetroy

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     Nathan A. Stine (stinerman@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Nov-2024 09:17:08 JST Nathan A. Stine

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     @fifilamoura @davetroy Dorsey left because Bluesky wanted to moderate.

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     @stinerman
     > Dorsey left because Bluesky wanted to moderate

     That makes no sense. Distributed moderation was part of the plan from day one.

     @fifilamoura @davetroy

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     Dave Troy :toad: (davetroy@toad.social)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Nov-2024 09:17:10 JST Dave Troy :toad:

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     @fifilamoura what they realized was that their decentralized tech wasn’t what users really wanted. They are following the path of Twitter now which is why Dorsey left. It is a cash burning machine.

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     Fifi Lamoura (fifilamoura@eldritch.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Nov-2024 09:17:10 JST Fifi Lamoura

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     @davetroy Is that really why Dorsey left? But, yeah, this new round of funding makes it all seem even more dubious.

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     Fifi Lamoura (fifilamoura@eldritch.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Nov-2024 09:17:12 JST Fifi Lamoura

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     @davetroy "decentralized foundation" hmmmm, it's not foundational if it's not actually part of the reality yet and integral to the implementation. It's still entirely conceptual and likely well out of the economic and technical reach of most people in practical terms.

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     Dave Troy :toad: (davetroy@toad.social)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Nov-2024 21:29:32 JST Dave Troy :toad:

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     3/Update: we have reached out to Blockchain Capital to confirm or deny questions posed here. So far they have not responded. However, we will share an updated analysis soon, and report any additional findings.

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     𝓼𝓮𝓻𝓪𝓹𝓪𝓽𝓱【ツ】☮(📍🇬🇧) (serapath@mastodon.gamedev.place)'s status on Saturday, 23-Nov-2024 11:09:07 JST 𝓼𝓮𝓻𝓪𝓹𝓪𝓽𝓱【ツ】☮(📍🇬🇧)

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     @strypey

     yes.
     i agree.
     there is still an unfullfilled promose to open source keet UI when it hits beta.

     if thats the case, then it would match my standards. ...if not, then maybe dat ecosystem has to try to make a keet compatible client that is open source

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     Strypey (strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz)'s status on Saturday, 23-Nov-2024 11:09:08 JST Strypey

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     @serapath
     > you yourself can make a backup trivially, just by installing a client on a new device and logging in. it will sync all your data automatically. no expert knowledge required

     I'm curious to see just how trivial this is in practice. I've yet to find a second client that meets my software freedom standards.

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     𝓼𝓮𝓻𝓪𝓹𝓪𝓽𝓱【ツ】☮(📍🇬🇧) (serapath@mastodon.gamedev.place)'s status on Saturday, 23-Nov-2024 11:09:10 JST 𝓼𝓮𝓻𝓪𝓹𝓪𝓽𝓱【ツ】☮(📍🇬🇧)

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     @strypey

     like in bittorrent. as long as one peer has your data, you can restore it. bittorrent syncs data from everyone at the same time. There is no particular server that you have to choose to store your data. and any peer can be an additional backup.

     you yourself can make a backup trivially, just by installing a client on a new device and logging in. it will sync all your data automatically. no expert knowledge required

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     𝓼𝓮𝓻𝓪𝓹𝓪𝓽𝓱【ツ】☮(📍🇬🇧) (serapath@mastodon.gamedev.place)'s status on Saturday, 23-Nov-2024 11:09:11 JST 𝓼𝓮𝓻𝓪𝓹𝓪𝓽𝓱【ツ】☮(📍🇬🇧)

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     @strypey

     not entirely.
     the difference is, your identity by which everyone knows you does not include the name of any relay AND your data is stored in a particular server and you better hope the instance operator knows how to properly do backups.

     in nostr your identity is your `nsec` keypair which works with any client and any relay. you dont have to choose one.

     And you cant get your data from any of them and have additional backup servers... this gets even more true with peer to peer.

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     Strypey (strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz)'s status on Saturday, 23-Nov-2024 11:09:12 JST Strypey

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     @serapath
     > i think the rest depends on the settings of the relays you add

     I suspect that's going to be the Nostr equivalent of 'depends on the settings of the server you join' ; )

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     𝓼𝓮𝓻𝓪𝓹𝓪𝓽𝓱【ツ】☮(📍🇬🇧) (serapath@mastodon.gamedev.place)'s status on Saturday, 23-Nov-2024 11:09:13 JST 𝓼𝓮𝓻𝓪𝓹𝓪𝓽𝓱【ツ】☮(📍🇬🇧)

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     @strypey i never received that, but i also have my feed set to latwst from only folks i follow and replies to those.

     so i dont get any of the other stuff.

     still - i think the rest depends on the settings of the relays you add, and the list i have seems quite good, so cant complain about those issues

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     Strypey (strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz)'s status on Saturday, 23-Nov-2024 11:09:14 JST Strypey

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     @serapath
     > unsolicited is literally many messages here on mastodon

     Are they sent ...

     "... to large numbers of recipients for the purpose of commercial advertising, non-commercial proselytizing"

     ?

     To be clear I'm not referring to people just talking to each other about BitCoin (although the cultyness is gross), I'm talking about people trying to push product.

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     𝓼𝓮𝓻𝓪𝓹𝓪𝓽𝓱【ツ】☮(📍🇬🇧) (serapath@mastodon.gamedev.place)'s status on Saturday, 23-Nov-2024 11:09:15 JST 𝓼𝓮𝓻𝓪𝓹𝓪𝓽𝓱【ツ】☮(📍🇬🇧)

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     @strypey

     unsolicited is literally many messages here on mastodon. i dont follow everyone i see messages from.
     people have different interests.
     i do understand you personally dislike bitcoin.

     i personally dislike web3/crypto/shitcoins.
     i am interested in bitcoin, because i definitly see some potential here.

     not that it was perfect. i can see problems, but i also see problems with the status quo capitalism and weighing thing, bitcoin seems useful.

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     Strypey (strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz)'s status on Saturday, 23-Nov-2024 11:09:16 JST Strypey

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     It just occurred to me that Nostr is allowing us to offload a whole lot of spammers and RedPills from the fediverse. Which is a great example of why the drop in MAU on the fediverse post-Eternal November (prior to the current bump) could have been good news, rather than the growth-cult bad news that the SillyCon Valley business press made it out to be.

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     Strypey (strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz)'s status on Saturday, 23-Nov-2024 11:09:17 JST Strypey

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     @Hyolobrika
     > I haven't noticed any spam on Nostr

     Wikipedia:

     "Spamming is the use of messaging systems to send multiple unsolicited messages (spam) to large numbers of recipients for the purpose of commercial advertising, non-commercial proselytizing"

     The vast majority of the postings I've seen on Nostr are what would be treated as a crypto-spam here. There are a multitude of demonstrated vectors for sending spam, and Nostr not even at the Early Adopter stage of growth.

     @serapath @rabble

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     Hyolobrika (hyolobrika@social.fbxl.net)'s status on Saturday, 23-Nov-2024 11:09:18 JST Hyolobrika

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     I haven't noticed any spam on Nostr
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     @serapath
     > moderation can be implemented permissionlessly. nostr idea is it is simple and ppl can just implement stuff on top permissionlessly

     Get back to me when there's 10 million people on Nostr and it hasn't modified its topology, and isn't awash in spam (hint: it's already awash in spam).

     @rabble

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     𝓼𝓮𝓻𝓪𝓹𝓪𝓽𝓱【ツ】☮(📍🇬🇧) (serapath@mastodon.gamedev.place)'s status on Saturday, 23-Nov-2024 11:09:22 JST 𝓼𝓮𝓻𝓪𝓹𝓪𝓽𝓱【ツ】☮(📍🇬🇧)

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     @strypey @rabble

     i'm not sure what those cons are meant to be.

     moderation can be implemented permissionlessly. nostr idea is it is simple and ppl can just implement stuff on top permissionlessly.

     dat project https://cabal.chat implemented trust nets or subjective moderation, which allows people to freely choose their moderators or do it themselves. tools are follow, ubfollow, mute, block, etc... subscribe to specific content. configure your own algorithms.

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     @serapath
     > lets see how nomadic identity or account portability works

     Hubzilla had it before AP was published. But that was thanks to Zot protocol. It's taken a while to figure out how to reimplement it on top of AP.

     > Nostr already avoids the need for choosing a specific instance

     Sure, but that comes with as many cons as pros, especially when it comes to spam prevention, moderation etc. Also it just moves the chokepoint to the cost of running relays, doing app dev etc.

     @rabble

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     𝓼𝓮𝓻𝓪𝓹𝓪𝓽𝓱【ツ】☮(📍🇬🇧) (serapath@mastodon.gamedev.place)'s status on Saturday, 23-Nov-2024 11:09:24 JST 𝓼𝓮𝓻𝓪𝓹𝓪𝓽𝓱【ツ】☮(📍🇬🇧)

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     @strypey @rabble
     lets see how nomadic identity or account portability works.

     But practically speaking. Nostr already avoids the need for choosing a specific instance. Every instance or even multiple in parallel are all just as valid as your own. It doesnt matter from which instqnce you send your next message. Your keypair signs the message means it comes from you. Thats fundamentally different.

     Moving beyond that even, peer to peer allows self hosting without the need for setting up servers

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     @strypey @rabble

     Technically you are correct, the "best" kind of correct. Practically people wont self host just as they dont self host email servers. Practically a few big ones will win, just like with email.
     Practically, the big ones blocking or muting other instances will have a lot of power to incentivize joining the big instances so the big instances gain even more power and others are somewhat cut off from useful social interactions

     There are multiple artificial and unnecessaey problems

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     @serapath
     > nostr has way more potential than the others in terms of avoiding centralized overlords

     How? People can have the same control over their fediverse experience that they have with Nostr, by running their own server. Most people don't, but that's a choice that's always available.

     That keeps admins accountable, in the same way that Free Code licensing keeps developers accountable. Even if most people never audit or fork the code.

     @rabble

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     @strypey @rabble

     I think it really depends on what people are looking for.
     People need to ask themselves why not facebook or any of the traditional centralized social networks.

     And then take that answer and see what guidance is gives when choosong between nostr, bluesky or mastodon.

     nostr has way more potential than the others in terms of avoiding centralized overlords and all the downsides we saw on X or facebook, while still allowing all you could wish for in terms of moderation