Notices by rabble (rabble@mastodon.social)

Interested in the future of journalism on social media protocols? We're organizing a workshop in New York at Betaworks on July 16th. Come join us!

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@dansup the point of the slide was to say people keep reinventing the wheel. There is an air table version you’re welcome to help keep up to date. Later on I get in to categories of these protocols and projects. There are many sometimes compatible protocols built on top of AP. In a big list on this one slide without what I said, you lose all the context.

As always, @mmasnick, has an article that makes sense of what's going on with social media protocols today and the Jack Dorsey interview about his leaving the Bluesky board and funding Nostr.

https://www.techdirt.com/2024/05/13/bluesky-is-building-the-decentralized-social-media-jack-dorsey-wants-even-if-he-doesnt-realize-it/

There’s a an interview which just got published for folks wanting to know more about Jack leaving the Bluesky board and his take on Bluesky, Twitter, Nostr, Elon, and Bitcoin.

He was responsible for Bluesky and twitter existing, and it’s interesting to see why he left.

https://www.piratewires.com/p/interview-with-jack-dorsey-mike-solana

Hey Mastodon folks… I was looking at the mastodon specs for webfinger and I was pleasantly surprised to see that the server / domain of a user’s webfinger doesn’t have to be the same as where their ActivityPub server.

So I put up this webfinger file: https://nos.social/.well-known/webfinger?resource=acct:rabble@nos.social

Which points to my Nostr account as served by the mostr.pub ActivityPub server / gateway to Nostr. It correctly loads the profile, but then shows this error. What’s up?

@dalias @tchambers @ricmac @newsmast @PixelFed @julian uh the fediverse by design lacks any privacy whatsoever. It’s designed to not have privacy. Instance admins have all of your data and no checks on their use. It’s easy to snoop on dm’s and get at ‘private’ accounts. It’s just like living in a place where no locks are allowed. Sure most people knock and don’t go uninvited in to other people’s rooms or houses.

@evan @ricmac this was a very quick write up was a reply to a question of why I was working on Nostr and not ActivityPub. It deserves a deeper take because the details matter.

We need to look at not just what is possible on each tech stack, but also what is being actively used. E.G. Nostr does have custom algorithms but it’s clunky and there are only a few dozen. Custom algorithms work really well on Bluesky. I could say, we do the custom algorithms too, but that misses the point.

@tchambers @ricmac @newsmast @PixelFed @julian yeah I think it’d be great if the fediverse added support for login with oauth from one server to another. Many of the things I think the fediverse is missing can be solved, if there is a will.

Help us make open source open protocol social media easier. We need folks to talk to us about your experience. Was the fediverse confusing and hard to join? We’re trying to make it better.

https://forms.gle/5zdNTtW3DHKL4vRQA

@evan @ricmac I think he means Dominic Tarr, who's not doing social media protocols at the moment, he's focused on https://socketsupply.co/

Kind of amazing that a major meta service is joining the fediverse. Over a decade after facebook abandoned open social and activity streams that was the precursor to ActivityPub. Welcome @zuck@threads.net & @mosseri! This is an important milestone.

We're getting private encrypted groups on Nostr. Check out the prototype video: https://v.nostr.build/maAK.mp4

Try out the beta: https://dev.coracle.social/groups

Nostr integration with the fediverse gets better.... mostly from a nostr perspective it's easier to find and follow fediverse accounts: https://mostr.pub/

Want to build an open source social media commons? We're looking for a swift developer, full time, paid, remote... Come work with me on nos.social.

https://forms.gle/tVGV8T8xJNumTaTK7

This is a proposal for the future of Bluesky and the at_protocol that would accommodate both the desires of the community of early adopters and also the vision of an open social media protocol.

**Building a Community**

Bluesky has successfully built a thriving community on its initial test server. With its own norms, culture, and even inside jokes like the sexy alf, it's more than just a test server. It's become a significant entity in its own right, with a community of 600,000 users.

Podcast Episode: Looks Like New: How did open social media platforms originate?

https://news.kgnu.org/2023/06/looks-like-new-how-did-open-social-media-platforms-originate/

"In the aftermath of a chaotic Twitter takeover, many people have moved away from centralized social media platforms to a new set of social platforms that are open-source, decentralized, and user-centered—like Bluesky, Mastodon, and Nostr. But civic-minded social platforms are nothing new.

@atomicpoet so the relays you use are up to you, so definitely you can block relays.

There is a spec to report content and users to relays. The responding to those reports definitely needs both social and technological work.

Proactive moderation tools exist in some nostr apps and also do need work. Using the model of choosing relays you read / write to gives us the ability to have the delegated moderation that we have in the fediverse and lacked in scuttlebutt.

@atomicpoet if I want to both talk to my church friends and sex worker friends I could get permission to write my messages to both.

Beyond that. We need encrypted groups, I’m leaning towards the MLS derived model that p2panda uses vs the way ahau.io does it in scuttlebutt or the size limited signal / WhatsApp groups.

The offline stuff is possible if nostr clients had a local relay that federated under the Inter relay gossip protocol with cloud hosted relays.

@atomicpoet models.

In effect I think nostr relays will end up with a fediverse style gossip, you write to yours but it then the relay sends copies to the relays used by users who want to follow you.

The big difference is that in this system the server isn’t in control of your data, identity, and follow graph.

But there will be “bad” relays that the others refuse to federate with and clients might end block at the app levels. Think a church relay might block the sex worker relays.

But…

@atomicpoet Right now nostr either has open relays, limited read / write access, or paid write / open read, or paid read/write. But the paying doesn’t solve the real moderation issue. Decisions about what content should be allowed on a relay will need to be made.

We think that’s fine. Relays should be community controlled. Sure some folks can pay, but really it’s more like are these people posting content I feel comfortable hosting. We can build models with a bunch of different governance….