Notices by 𝓼𝓮𝓻𝓪𝓹𝓪𝓽𝓱【ツ】☮(📍🇬🇧) (serapath@mastodon.gamedev.place)

@lritter zis is tru, BAT ...se juropians ar duuing ze zame. ...ze bill will come for zem as well.

Ze real anser is peer to peer

@smallcircles @bhaugen @cwebber thx. i wont.

btw. i remember the huge effort you did put into dat to improve marketing for quite a while some long time ago.

thanks 🙂
i know that dat was and is an interesting unconventional, some would say difficupt project 😜

in regard to your invitation.
i am ot a fan of fediverse. i am on mastodon because of the ppl and because it was ready at a time when alternatives where needed quickly.

now it is better and worse than bsky, depending on how you look

@smallcircles @bhaugen @cwebber

...all of them are worse than nostr, which isnt yet perfect and truly peer to peer, but it gets us a lot closer and further into that right direction.

fediverse is not needed.

also, i dont believe in that kind of forum of language/spec driven process.

the process you invited me to is the issue imho.

i am all for discussions like the ones we have here. they dont matter apart from inspiring some thoughts and what then matters is what work gets done later

@smallcircles @bhaugen @cwebber

code is spec.
lets have AI and other smart parsers spit out what it means.

thats the only thing maintainable imho...

...and having english spec first and then implementation is just unnecessary overhead that creates additional barriers to entry

@lritter is it bigger ego?

what if you recommend me or i recommend you and you dont even know about it?

Maybe somebody can now follow your rambling and get inspired - did that make anyones ego bigger though?

@Hyolobrika @lritter

Maybe, but it matters when it comes to philosophy. "NFT and money and other such things" is quite a blurry concept 🙂

Some might argue, money is nothing more than an opinionated recommendation or endorsement system. ...maybe thats false, but i enojy poking around and see where do stances differ and why.

Maybe it is possible to get new insights and learn in that process

@smallcircles @cwebber

you shpuld try keet messenger.
it has thousands of peers in rooms.
you coupd look at autobase.

its more building material to make it easy to define and design your CRDTs and related mechanisms for your app 🙂

if you ever used nodejs, just use the pear runtime to get started.

`npx pear run pear://runtime`

and follow the tutorial 🙂

@smallcircles @cwebber

@dat_ecosystem

The pear runtime is documented at https://docs.pears.com

@bhaugen @smallcircles @cwebber

Of course, but what are all the modalities you might opt into. How exactly does the support look like?

That's more what i meant - of course, the choices (1.) and (2.) you mention seem obvious. If (1.) exists and you like it, join it. If not, you can only choose (2.) or waiting longer for somebody else to choose (2.)

Every such network was at some point started using option (2.) ...but what modalities would you choose when setting it up? what are the options?

@bhaugen @smallcircles @cwebber

I agree here as well.
Of course - i wanted to leave open how one might tackle the issue, but I do think that direction is the right direction.

The issue is probalby by starting it in this way, a lot more opinions are baked in, thus - what is the least opinionated way of approaching this? 🙂

That is a tough one

@lritter 😍 thank you so much. Nobody ever said that about me.
Now i feel special, but there are still so many billions out there...

...on the other hand, if you recommend everyone like that, ...it would make me feel less special.

I wonder why though? 🤔

@lritter HA! So your keeping it artificially scarce. I'm not so sure if that is really a world we want. Dont we want a world of abundance?

@smallcircles @cwebber

IETF and all big standard bodies are the old way of doing things. its the wrong place to look

@smallcircles @cwebber

i'd prefer to burn down all those temples. fuck them tbh. we need to make it work grassroots.

the most recent impactful movement that was successfully torpedoed by microsoft was nodejs and npm growth.

the reason they were successful was money.

The nodejs ecosystem grew up and figured its not sustainable for them.

Every used open source repo must be part of supply chains automatically and receive funds to make it sustainable. Without, any movement will fail again imho

@lritter

i find being recommended by @lritter is scarce.
Why not give everyone in the world free recommendation? is t that scarcity kinda annoying?

it keeps the exclusive club of those who have a recommendation from @lritter and everyone else is left to their own devices

Is that an accurate description when comparing nostr to bluesky or mastodon or even more centralized social networks?

@pravee_n @cwebber
mastodon is anyway new.
i have seen ppl cross post from mastodon to nostr.

https://mostr.pub/

swiching always costs, thats why it is so important to switch to where you dont risk of having a future musk rug pull your experience 🙂

@pravee_n @cwebber

lol.
why not go and stay on X or facebook then?

oh maybe because they are run by musk and zuck? ...twitter wasnt until it got bought and that can happen to bluesky as well. they will also add ads, they already announced. enshittification is guaranteed.

UI/UX on mastoson is great. tou say the vluesky one is better? thats really subjective. ...so kinda decentralization matters when it comes to FB and X ...but once it comes to nostr/blsky.. then its UX?

isnt that funny?

@pravee_n @cwebber

bluesky can be bought.
mastodon cant, but federating with the big corporate backed ones and lobbying, maybe buying big instances allows big money to defederate with small instances, cutting off the vast majority of big instance users from the rest.

it is the same power gmail and other big ones have over small email providers.

they can filter/block you from talking to the users on big email providers, making is slightly inconvenient for those, but unusable for independents

@pravee_n @cwebber

the option is to kove to nostr.

move to p2p.
move beyond the fediverse.

the flaws of the fediverse are known since email.