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   𝓼𝓮𝓻𝓪𝓹𝓪𝓽𝓱【ツ】☮(📍🇬🇧) (serapath@mastodon.gamedev.place)'s status on Monday, 23-Dec-2024 07:11:09 JST 𝓼𝓮𝓻𝓪𝓹𝓪𝓽𝓱【ツ】☮(📍🇬🇧)

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   @Zackstarkid @fleeky @bhaugen @powersource

   The issue is not just that the capitalist class has all the money, which is true. They have also the money printers.

   So IF we start successful unions or worker coops or mutual aid networks or all of it and create in alternative ways - as soon as that becomes **actually** threatening, they will use their money printer to print as much as is needed to pay insane salaries to folks who help capitalists. They will pay enormous amounts to campaign against

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     bhaugen (bhaugen@social.coop)'s status on Monday, 23-Dec-2024 07:11:06 JST bhaugen

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     @serapath
     Have you read any Marx?

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     @Zackstarkid @fleeky @bhaugen @powersource

     I'm not saying bitcoin **is the solution**. It is far from it. I perceive it as a first step to have a currency that is NOT controlled by the capitalists and where everyone is the same - no special class of printer people.

     And then we STILL need all the mutual aid, worker coops, etc... to replace the crap capitalist economy we currently have, but every inch won cant be undone just by printing money, so capitalists will lose at some point then :-)

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     𝓼𝓮𝓻𝓪𝓹𝓪𝓽𝓱【ツ】☮(📍🇬🇧) (serapath@mastodon.gamedev.place)'s status on Monday, 23-Dec-2024 07:11:08 JST 𝓼𝓮𝓻𝓪𝓹𝓪𝓽𝓱【ツ】☮(📍🇬🇧)

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     @Zackstarkid @fleeky @bhaugen @powersource

     They will create companies with fake stories that pretend to be just as "alternative" as the real unions, worker coops, mutual aid networks, etc...

     They will offer the same products and services **at any loss** to prevent people from buying from the new real alternative so they can starve those alternatives... and so on.

     If capitalists can print money, there is no way to win, but once that privilege is gone, you can finally outcompete them

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     bhaugen (bhaugen@social.coop)'s status on Monday, 23-Dec-2024 22:24:10 JST bhaugen

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     @serapath
     Don't need to read it cover to cover, just need the part about surplus value.

     If you grasp the outline of how capitalism works, it would help your analysis of how money works. As in, capitalists can happily profit from bitcoin as well as any other form of money. All they need is surplus value from underpaid work.

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     𝓼𝓮𝓻𝓪𝓹𝓪𝓽𝓱【ツ】☮(📍🇬🇧) (serapath@mastodon.gamedev.place)'s status on Monday, 23-Dec-2024 22:24:12 JST 𝓼𝓮𝓻𝓪𝓹𝓪𝓽𝓱【ツ】☮(📍🇬🇧)

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     @bhaugen
     I am german and my friends dad has had a copy of "Das Kapital". i have read many excerpts and summary and looked up stuff and skimmed through it, but havent read it in its entirety cover to cover. why? 🙂