Notices by Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦 (rysiek@mstdn.social)

@oatmeal nnoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!...

@pk84 @darius

Iceland: 🌋
Starbucks: oh shi- a perfect roastery!

@maxwainwright I really appreciate you saying this.

The International Criminal Court issued arrest warrants Thurs for #Israel PM Benjamin #Netanyahu & fmr defense minister Yoav #Gallant “for crimes against humanity & #WarCrimes” over Israel’s military ops in #Gaza.

The #ICC also issued a warrant for a #Hamas military leader, Mohammed #Deif, who was killed in an airstrike in Gaza in July…. Prosecutors issued warrants because they were not able to confirm whether he is dead or alive….

#law #HumanitarianCrisis #geopolitics
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/11/21/israel-war-news-hamas-gaza-palestine/

@darius oh man.

What is it with them and burnt beans. 🙄

@caffeinatedbookdragon my first karaoke experience was when I was 14 and at an English language student exchange camp in Edinburgh.

I remember it being pretty meh (still no fan of karaoke), but for that one Italian girl my age who asked for Zombie.

The DJ tried to suggest something "easier to sing" (and I don't blame him, there's been a lot of very bad attempts that evening), but she was adamant.

She rocked it. Absolutely rocked it. It was a thing to behold and I still remember it decades on.

@maxwainwright I don't think it would have worked at all, to be honest.

I understand, and to a large degree share, the frustration. But losing one's temper and calling people names is just not a good strategy of dealing with that kind of stuff.

@enoch_exe_inc well let me know if you come up with one. I would gladly support it.

Meanwhile, I will continue to support the invaded country against its genocidal invader.

@ciaranmak I remember the Yanukovych elections. I also remember Maidan, and I visited Mezhyhirya to attend an investigative journalism conference – with people who went in there minutes after Yanukovych fled

And who then read through the documents he tried to destroy by dumping them into the yacht port on the premises (they dried them out in his own sauna). So yeah, I have all this context.

@iju @gubi

@ciaranmak negotiation is and always has been on the table. Problem is: one of the sides repeatedly refused to engage in it in good faith. And this might surprise you: it's not the side that got invaded!

You used a rhetorical device to throw a red herring and attempt to derail the thread.

I am eagerly waiting for you to state your position on what should happen in Ukraine.

And, for that matter, what should happen in Palestine, since you brought it up.

@iju @gubi

@iju or, to use your example:

"What about Guatemala in 1952" in the context of a conversation about Soviet atrocities in Czechoslovakia 1948 – I would call that whataboutism.

"I agree that Soviets are guilty of atrocities in Czechoslovakia 1948, but the stuff capitalist companies did in Guatemala in 1952 is easily comparable" in the same conversation – I would not call whataboutism.

@gubi @ciaranmak

@iju if you state your own position, you become vulnerable to arguments and criticism in a debate.

If you don't, you're just coasting, exploiting the vulnerability of the other person who *did* state their position. You're free to flip-flop, "just ask questions", and use any other kinds of eristics.

So, when I see something like "what about Palestine", which lacks a clear statement about the main topic, that to me looks like an attempt to misdirect, not have a conversation.

@gubi @ciaranmak

@iju oh, no question about that, but to me whataboutism is more about how a given given topic is used in a conversation.

I think there's a crucial difference between:

- just throwing the other complex topic into the conversation;

…and:

- stating one's position *and then* mentioning the other thing.

"What about Palestine" is a completely different thing than "I agree/disagree with you on Ukraine, but wonder what you think on Palestine, then?"

@gubi @ciaranmak

@enoch_exe_inc it's nice to have this simple, clean division of people into "conservatives" and "liberals". I happen not to identify with either though. Not sure why you keep throwing these terms around.

@enoch_exe_inc I agree with the desire to not prolong the war.

I simply disagree that making the war end on Russian terms (which stopping to arm Ukraine would cause) is a way to actually stop it.

We literally tried that exact strategy in that exact place in 2014. And now here we are.

@maxwainwright please don't call people names in my mentions. That's completely unnecessary and does not help at all.

@Natasha_Jay win!

@enoch_exe_inc @mcv

"Those supporters of the bullied kid are violence maniacs! They keep using violence to try to intervene and stop the bully!"

This is really incredibly tiresome and repetitive. You really need better talking points at this stage, we've been through all of this a bunch of times. :blobcatcoffee:

@enoch_exe_inc @mcv how is it that supporters of a right of an invaded, weaker country are called "war maniacs", and not the supporters of the much bigger, invading country?

And how, pray tell, should the peace be achieved if one side is constantly breaking agreements it signed, from the Budapest Memorandum, through Minsk Agreements?

How, exactly, do you think there can be peace in Ukraine, if Putin's stated goal is for Ukraine not to exist?

@enoch_exe_inc @mcv thank Dog Russian labor is not exploited, Russian arms manufacturers are not making a killing, and natural resources in territories already colonized by Russia are not being exploited!

How is this never part of the conversation, somehow?

How is it not part of the conversation that Kremlin attempts a double genocide: that of Ukrainians, but also that of peoples from Dagestan, Buryatia, and so on?
https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/09/23/russia-partial-military-mobilization-ethnic-minorities/