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   • Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
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   @midgephoto @rysiek

   Georgia capitulated in 2008
   Georgia still exists and is an independent country.
   How can that be?

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     @liilliil @midgephoto you must have missed two things:

     1. The last elections in Georgia.

     2. In case of Georgia Kremlin never made claims that the aim is full military subjugation of the country; Kremlin made such claims in case of Ukraine, repeatedly.

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     1. What about them
     2. They did! “Let's crush Tbilisi” they said a lota time

     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WFX0E8DRaE

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     @liilliil @midgephoto Zhirinovskij is not Kremlin. I said Kremlin. Also, there was no actual attempt to take Tbilisi, whereas there was an actual attempt to take Kyiv.

     About the Georgian elctions:
     https://www.npr.org/2024/10/27/g-s1-30210/georgias-crucial-vote-was-marred-by-intimidation-european-monitors-say

     People are protesting in the streets as we speak, because they don't want Georgia to become (again) a Russian client state.

     Such processes take years and decades, But this is a process that continues since the Georgian-Russian war.

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     @liilliil @midgephoto

     1. Kremlin loves misdirection. So far there had not been any negotiations in good faith from Kremlin. And I am including the Minsk accords, which were negotiated and signed, and then ignored and broken by the Kremlin.

     2. Look, we can split hairs all you want here. The aim of Kremlin is for Ukraine not to exist, and it's been shown time and again.

     If you really want to engage with this topic, this set of lectures by Timothy Snyder is a must-watch:
     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLfFmYWjHtc&list=PLh9mgdi4rNewfxO7LhBoz_1Mx1MaO6sw_

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     1. If the Kremlin is so eager to destroy Ukraine, why were the negotiations in the spring of 2022?
     2. It was 30 kilometers to Tbilisi when it was said Safeword

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     @liilliil @rysiek @midgephoto

     As has later come to light, the negotiations then (after eight years of war) was to formalise Ukrainian loss of eastern areas and the status of the remaining stub as a satellite with with limited autonomy.

     You could as well say that the coup of Hawaii was legit because the successor polity exists as an US state.

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     @liilliil @rysiek @midgephoto

     Also it's fundamental for the fiction of Russia as the successor state of the Kievan Rus¹ to hold Ukraine, instead of client state of mongols.

     I suppose this leads to need to be part of "Europe".
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     ¹ it is not unheard that empires use names and/or creative interpretation of history as justification of destiny.²
     ² The USA13 expanding west while breaking countless treaties and practicing genocide under idea that they were "America" and Americans were "Indians".

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     @iju somewhere else I had linked to Timothy Snyder's phenomenal deep-dive lectures about the history of Ukraine. But I will link to that again, as it is such an amazing resource:
     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLfFmYWjHtc&list=PLh9mgdi4rNewfxO7LhBoz_1Mx1MaO6sw_

     @liilliil @midgephoto

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     @liilliil @midgephoto right and "such uniforms can be bought in any sports shop", I remember that as well.

     Kremlin was also a signatory of Budapest Memorandum, where it guaranteed Ukraine's territorial sovereignty in return for Ukraine giving away post-Soviet nuclear weapons:
     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum

     How did that go, I wonder?

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     @rysiek @midgephoto
     The Kremlin was not a party to the Minsk agreements, it was their guarantor. The ceasefire agreement was signed between Ukraine and the eastern regions of Ukraine

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     @iju @rysiek @midgephoto This has already been done in Minsk. Ukraine has pledged to abandon a military solution to the problem of the eastern lands and to enter into negotiations with them. Somehow everyone forgets that part of history and commitment

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     Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦 (rysiek@mstdn.social)'s status on Thursday, 21-Nov-2024 09:31:00 JST Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

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     @liilliil @iju @midgephoto right, and this had nothing to do with Kremlin sending in more regular military in there in 2015:
     https://sceeus.se/en/publications/russias-dictated-non-peace-for-ukraine-in-2014-2022/

     I mean, if you want to have your own version of history, have fun and good luck. But this is a part of the world I come from, and I know it's history well.

     I provided you with receipts on a few occasions. You can either engage with them, or not. Up to you. 🤷♀️

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     @rysiek @midgephoto
     >such uniforms can be bought in any sports shop

     I have no desire to argue with propaganda stamps, I want to understand the legal side of the issue and the real danger for Ukraine.

     At the time of its creation as an independent country from a Soviet republic, Ukraine committed itself to neutrality and non-aligned status. This was the reason for their giving up nuclear weapons

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     @liilliil @midgephoto either we agree on basic facts, or we don't.

     One of the basic facts is that in 2014 in Donbas and Crimea there were Russian military, and that Russian military actively supported, including by artillery fire from the territory of Russian Federation, amply documented by Bellingcat:
     https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2016/12/21/russian-artillery-strikes-against-ukraine/

     If we don't agree on basic facts like these, I don't see why we should continue this conversation. If we agree on such basic facts, it's clear it's not Ukraine at fault.

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     @rysiek @midgephoto Oh, I recognise that account - a ru troll, all the questions were in bad faith.

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     @richlv @midgephoto yeah, but it gives me a great opportunity to do an infodump with links to receipts. And I am a bit bored right now, so why not.

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     @rysiek @midgephoto yes, Mike
     I know they sent their troops there. Unfortunately, it's not the first time. However, we are deviating from the main topic: their maniacal desire to destroy Ukraine. Is it real or not

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     @liilliil @midgephoto so, Russia sent troops there in violation of the Budapest Memorandum, where it promised to guarantee Ukraine's sovereignty.

     It then stirred up a conflict in Donbas, and then became a "neutral" guarantor of the Minks Agreements.

     And then sent more troops into Donbas.

     And then began a full-scale invasion of Ukraine, almost encircling Kyiv, and broadcasted rhetoric claiming Ukraine is not a real country, Ukrainians are not a real nation, and so on.

     Dunno, difficult to say!

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     Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦 (rysiek@mstdn.social)'s status on Thursday, 21-Nov-2024 10:08:31 JST Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

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     @liilliil @midgephoto seriously though, I don't care if it's "maniacal" or whatever else. Kremlin's goal in this war was to make Ukraine into a Russian client state again, one way or another. It's visible in their actions, their words, the narratives they push out into the world.

     Again, you may disagree, but by your responses in this thread, you never really engaged with this topic honestly.

     I provided plenty of receipts for what I was talking about. I think we're done here. :blobcatcoffee:

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     @liilliil @midgephoto also, no idea where you got the "Mike" from. My name and nickname are clearly spelled in my profile. Copy-paste is your friend.

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     @rysiek @midgephoto it’s the same name, innit?
     Also today we’re celebrating St.Michael’s day here
     St. Michael is also the saint patron of Kiev

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     @liilliil @midgephoto no, it's not the same name. Just as "Kiev" is not the same name as "Kyiv".

     If a person tells you they prefer to be referred to in a particular way, instead of the way you referred to them before, you apologize and comply.

     Same with a polity that tells you that they prefer to use their own spelling of their capital city, rather than that of their invader and colonizer.

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     @liilliil the "original name" of Istanbul was Lygos, and yet we recognize the right of the people who live there to call it whatever they very well please – and insist we also call it such.

     So when Ukrainians tell me they prefer Kyiv to be called Kyiv, I call it Kyiv. It's just common decency.

     incidentally, denying this kind of basic agency to Ukrainians is a mainstay of Kremlin's propaganda around this war.

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     @rysiek

     The real ORIGINAL name of the city is "Кыѥвъ", and not “Kyiv” or “Київ"
     This is to the question of “invaders and colonizers” and lecturing about spelling

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     @rysiek That's a great example. Istanbul is now home to your favorite invaders and colonists. Who you were condemning just earlier, apologize and comply.

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     @liilliil you can twist yourself in as many knots as you wish.

     But referring to Kyiv using a name that Ukrainians ask people not to use is just a deeply petty, disrespectful thing to do. 🤷♀️

     You like this look, fine by me. But I don't think we have anything left to discuss. Have a good night.

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     @maxwainwright please don't call people names in my mentions. That's completely unnecessary and does not help at all.

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     @maxwainwright @rysiek it’s your mom

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     @liilliil @rysiek nice try, stupid tankie cunt

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     @liilliil @rysiek from now on you shall be named “stupid tankie cunt” 🙃

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     @maxwainwright I don't think it would have worked at all, to be honest.

     I understand, and to a large degree share, the frustration. But losing one's temper and calling people names is just not a good strategy of dealing with that kind of stuff.

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     @rysiek sure, sorry about that.
     I was trying to make a point, not just be mean (if that is any consolation). It would have worked better (or: at all) if i had called him “Doug” or something 🙃.

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     @maxwainwright I really appreciate you saying this.

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     @rysiek no, you’re completely right. Not sure if “dealing with” is a good descriptor of what I was trying to do though. Just expressing some rage.
     But it’s better to redirect it into something productive, or at least destructive. 🙃