@liilliil @midgephoto either we agree on basic facts, or we don't.
One of the basic facts is that in 2014 in Donbas and Crimea there were Russian military, and that Russian military actively supported, including by artillery fire from the territory of Russian Federation, amply documented by Bellingcat:
https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2016/12/21/russian-artillery-strikes-against-ukraine/
If we don't agree on basic facts like these, I don't see why we should continue this conversation. If we agree on such basic facts, it's clear it's not Ukraine at fault.
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