Notices by meejah (meejah@mastodon.social)

@mekkaokereke What is a "starter pack" and how can I help that happen for Mastodon?

@alcinnz Hey, fun, I know some of this stuff .. but also you can use my tool "carml" to easily get information that the Tor daemon is emitting. See https://carml.readthedocs.io/en/latest/

You can also very easily launch an Onion service after installing my other project https://meejah.ca/projects/txtorcon by doing: twistd web --port "onion:80" --path ~/public_html

(If you're on Debian, the above should work after an "apt install python3-txtorcon")

@LeftistLawyer I do. And open-source software and firmware for every system on it.

@tess hey @dansup maybe this can be a built-in option for @pixelfed !!! :blobaww:

@isagalaev I 100% agree with what seems to be @mitsuhiko 's main point there: that trying to bolt typing onto Python is not a great idea, and has led to *far* less readable Python, overall.

If you want a strongly-typed language, there are plenty to choose from.
#python #haskell

(I too don't want to re-hash all the argument for or against types, and I do know C++, Java and at least enough Haskell to be dangerous)

@diazona @isagalaev @mitsuhiko For example, the Ethereum 2 (or whatever, the proof-of-stake stuff) specifications literally used Python for their example / pseudo code (and even had unit-tests for them).

Pretty hard to do that with type-hints involved.

There's also a "Python3" level of extra work for library authors. I kind of dread the first ticket filed for "give me type-hints in txtorcon" -- because if one dep lacks type-hints, many benefits go away.

@diazona @isagalaev @mitsuhiko Nearly into "re-hashing typing vs. untyped" arguments here, but what I'm getting at is that un-typed Python reads an awful lot like pseudo-code. Once you start putting type-hints on it, that all breaks down.

So, I'm also agreeing with Armin on the fact that there _are_ benefits to static/strict typing but Python's isn't very good at the "advanced" aspects of that and also has the huge downside of "hard to read" (esp. for someone who's a programmer, but not Python)

@diazona @isagalaev @mitsuhiko So, I agree there are benefits to stronger typing. Most of the code I've produced is C++ ... but the very thing I like most about Python is being eroded by bolt-on type-hinting (that _still_ isn't very good, IMO, and very hard to read or type properly for remotely complex things).

If you like real types, use Haskell or something ;)

@diazona @isagalaev @mitsuhiko I like that it's extremely readable. Looking "practically like pseudocode" was an example of just _how_ readable it is -- it makes great generic examples!

For me, type-hints greatly decrease that for many, many readers. Only in larger projects do they start to make sense. I don't want a slower, less-parallel C++ -- I want something nicer to read and write!

Also I don't believe the tale of them being "optional"...already, they're pretty non-optional.

@glyph @tintvrtkovic Overall I'm impressed you read ELEVEN THOUSAND words on this. I made it one (1) paragraph...