@bobbala @AmonMaritza @BattleDwarfGimli @Snidely_Whiplash @WilhelmIII @s2208 @Aly @DailyStormerDigest @EdBoatConnoisseur @KingOfWhiteAmerica @Largo @brokenshakles @dogslurp @epictittus The idea makes sense to man, which is why we have it presented to us. The sins we commit are just that — sin. The root question ends up at predestination or not and the way it asks that is whether or not "once saved always saved" is valid, even at extreme examples. Would a baptized believer who, in a fit of rage, kills 5 innocent people be saved? The questions start flowing: was that person actually a Christian, did they believe truly that they were, and did that stop when they chose to kill 5 Innocents? If yes, how about 50 or 500 or 5,000 and is there a number where it stops being "yes" ? The Bibls says we will know them by their fruits, and what if this person was incredibly good to others for every other day in their adult life? Did they choose to reject God through their actions? I tend to think so, but I also think this hypothetical murderer could be redeemed and forgiven. The grace they'd receive would be equally unearned as before their murder spree.