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   Cassandra Lemmer-Webber (cwebber@social.coop)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Apr-2025 21:13:40 JST Cassandra Lemmer-Webber

   Could someone please explain to me whether Bluesky is decentralized? Maybe send me some blogposts. Thanks!

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     Niléane (nileane@nileane.fr)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Apr-2025 21:17:00 JST Niléane

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     @cwebber Yeah it’s decentralized, TechCrunch confirmed it

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     Cassandra Lemmer-Webber (cwebber@social.coop)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Apr-2025 21:17:19 JST Cassandra Lemmer-Webber

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     • Niléane

     @nileane thank you

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     Cassandra Lemmer-Webber (cwebber@social.coop)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Apr-2025 21:19:01 JST Cassandra Lemmer-Webber

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     • lgsp

     @lgsp thank you looks long tho

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     lgsp (lgsp@urbanists.social)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Apr-2025 21:19:03 JST lgsp

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     @cwebber

     Sure! What about this one 🤣

     https://dustycloud.org/blog/how-decentralized-is-bluesky/

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     Daphne Preston-Kendal (dpk@chaos.social)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Apr-2025 21:27:01 JST Daphne Preston-Kendal

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     @cwebber Noble of you to sacrifice your own mentions as well today

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     Cassandra Lemmer-Webber (cwebber@social.coop)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Apr-2025 21:27:24 JST Cassandra Lemmer-Webber

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     • Daphne Preston-Kendal

     @dpk they are under constant sacrifice

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     A Part of Bee (morix@loci.onl)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Apr-2025 21:29:33 JST A Part of Bee

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     @cwebber it's very decentralised, I can see it from my laptop, my phone, and my desktop machines

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     Cassandra Lemmer-Webber (cwebber@social.coop)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Apr-2025 21:29:57 JST Cassandra Lemmer-Webber

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     • A Part of Bee

     @morix that's at least 3 nodes, thank you

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     Dr Kim Foale (kim@social.gfsc.studio)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Apr-2025 21:30:25 JST Dr Kim Foale

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     @cwebber

     real decents
     realize
     de centralize

     hope this helps

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     lgsp (lgsp@urbanists.social)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Apr-2025 21:30:58 JST lgsp

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     @cwebber well ok. There is this thread connected to the blog post, from a person that looks like she knows what she is talking about:

     https://social.coop/@cwebber/113527462572885698

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     Cassandra Lemmer-Webber (cwebber@social.coop)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Apr-2025 21:32:01 JST Cassandra Lemmer-Webber

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     • lgsp

     @lgsp thank you I will ask her

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     Bam (bam@sfba.social)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Apr-2025 21:33:03 JST Bam

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     • lgsp

     @cwebber You should see the author’s social threads. 😳

     @lgsp

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     Cassandra Lemmer-Webber (cwebber@social.coop)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Apr-2025 21:34:20 JST Cassandra Lemmer-Webber

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     • lgsp

     @Bam @lgsp is the author on social media

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     lgsp (lgsp@urbanists.social)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Apr-2025 21:35:15 JST lgsp

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     @cwebber
     Seriously, the other interesting piece (not from you) I could read about the topic (bit I bet you already know) is this one

     https://social.wildeboer.net/@jwildeboer/113487613965056474

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     Chip Butty (otfrom@functional.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Apr-2025 21:36:17 JST Chip Butty

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     @cwebber it could easily be decentralised with a bit of funding from someone like Thiel or Musk. Nothing a bit of VC or advertising can't fix /s

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     Cassandra Lemmer-Webber (cwebber@social.coop)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Apr-2025 21:36:38 JST Cassandra Lemmer-Webber

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     • Chip Butty

     @otfrom they could fix a lot of things I bet

     someone should get DOGE in to fix up the protocols maybe

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     ⊥ᵒᵚ Cᵸᵎᶺᵋᶫ∸ᵒᵘ ☑️ (falken@qoto.org)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Apr-2025 21:37:26 JST ⊥ᵒᵚ Cᵸᵎᶺᵋᶫ∸ᵒᵘ ☑️

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     @cwebber in theory it is. In practice one company runs all the servers, and it's not practical to run own due to storage cost and huge rate of increase

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     Cassandra Lemmer-Webber (cwebber@social.coop)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Apr-2025 21:37:50 JST Cassandra Lemmer-Webber

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     • ⊥ᵒᵚ Cᵸᵎᶺᵋᶫ∸ᵒᵘ ☑️

     @falken really is that true? how expensive would it be

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     A Part of Bee (morix@loci.onl)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Apr-2025 21:38:57 JST A Part of Bee

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     @cwebber if we ask around we can probably find a few others in other countries even, all the people there can't be bots on my computers right?

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     Cassandra Lemmer-Webber (cwebber@social.coop)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Apr-2025 21:39:20 JST Cassandra Lemmer-Webber

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     • A Part of Bee

     @morix there have to be some fediverse chicks on here somewhere

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     Jan Beta (janbeta@chaos.social)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Apr-2025 21:40:08 JST Jan Beta

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     @cwebber Many of its users are in different places, thus totally decentralized!

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     Cassandra Lemmer-Webber (cwebber@social.coop)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Apr-2025 21:41:31 JST Cassandra Lemmer-Webber

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     If you are also on Blue Sky, I am asking over there, feel free to help spread the word here or there https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:dyyvywontyeuaegemczcushz/post/3lmwkq433ec2x

     We will get to the bottom of this

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     Ку 🇧🇬🇪🇺:neobear_computing: (kunev@blewsky.social)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Apr-2025 21:48:43 JST Ку 🇧🇬🇪🇺:neobear_computing:

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     @cwebber@social.coop technically one might say it isn't, but that would be besides the point. You see "centralized" is only bad if it's centralized around bad people like Ramk Zuckembrog or Melon Sumk. But as long as it's centralized around nice people with a good moral compass who respect the law and have all the best intentions it's actually as good as, no! It's better than decentralized! And since it has only the best woke VCs backing it who have business plans with a goal for human societal prosperity and not RoI, we need not ask about decentralization.

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     Sarah :blobcatsarah: (eject@queer.garden)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Apr-2025 22:03:31 JST Sarah :blobcatsarah:

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     @cwebber they're going to use SMTP

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     shadowwwind (shadowwwind@fosstodon.org)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Apr-2025 22:04:40 JST shadowwwind

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     @cwebber no but if they add Twitters hexagon cryptobro profile pictures it will become decentralized

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     Cassandra Lemmer-Webber (cwebber@social.coop)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Apr-2025 22:05:07 JST Cassandra Lemmer-Webber

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     @shadowwwind oh I guess they should add them then

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     mav :happy_blob: (mav@masto.hackers.town)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Apr-2025 22:08:51 JST mav :happy_blob:

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     @cwebber
     Yes.

     But also no.

     Maybe?

     *bites into breakfast apple*
     *chews pensively*

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     how now (brownpau@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Apr-2025 22:09:11 JST how now

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     @cwebber bluesky is B-centralized, that is to say your node is best physically hosted in a hive of bees, so you can get the two B’s: Bad posts and Best honey

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     Cassandra Lemmer-Webber (cwebber@social.coop)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Apr-2025 22:09:52 JST Cassandra Lemmer-Webber

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     • how now

     @brownpau Is that why they're under a B-corp

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     Adriano (adriano@lile.cl)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Apr-2025 22:13:21 JST Adriano

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     @cwebber If you look closely, you'll see that it's not centralized, it's skewed slightly off-center to the right and up. Typical measurement mistake.

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     Cassandra Lemmer-Webber (cwebber@social.coop)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Apr-2025 22:15:02 JST Cassandra Lemmer-Webber

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     • Jorge Candeias

     @jorgecandeias do what

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     Jorge Candeias (jorgecandeias@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Apr-2025 22:15:03 JST Jorge Candeias

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     @cwebber why do you do this to yourself?

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     Armchair Epistemologist (rcriii@hostux.social)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Apr-2025 22:32:18 JST Armchair Epistemologist

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     @cwebber not so much de- as re-centralized. you see bluesky started when a bunch of people were on a plane going to a blues fest and texting each other. Later they decided to create a place to share their wit and bon mots with the world.

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     Armchair Epistemologist (rcriii@hostux.social)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Apr-2025 22:32:45 JST Armchair Epistemologist

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     @cwebber but if you are on bluesky you should know this ... Oh I see what you did there you minx!

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     Parade du Grotesque 💀 (paradegrotesque@mastodon.sdf.org)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Apr-2025 22:34:38 JST Parade du Grotesque 💀

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     @cwebber

     Christine.

     We have talked about this before.

     You really need to do your own research, and not ask random strangers on the internet.

     Also: you need to stop posting that type of question, because everyone at work is now wondering why I am laughing so hard! 😉

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     Expertenkommision Cyberunfall (expertenkommision_cyberunfall@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Apr-2025 22:38:44 JST Expertenkommision Cyberunfall

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     @cwebber

     Define „decentraliced“

     This can mean different things.

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     Cassandra Lemmer-Webber (cwebber@social.coop)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Apr-2025 22:39:18 JST Cassandra Lemmer-Webber

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     • Expertenkommision Cyberunfall

     @expertenkommision_cyberunfall I wil define it

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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Apr-2025 22:46:46 JST SuperDicq

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     @cwebber@social.coop It's not decentralized because you can not host your own independent server using the Bluesky "AT Protocol".
     
     I have no sources because it is impossible to prove something that doesn't exists.

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     Cassandra Lemmer-Webber (cwebber@social.coop)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Apr-2025 23:47:53 JST Cassandra Lemmer-Webber

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     • SuperDicq

     @SuperDicq ok thanks, it's too bad there can't be a source though, I thought it was open source

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     Personne (per_sonne@ciberlandia.pt)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Apr-2025 23:48:17 JST Personne

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     @cwebber

     It's "decentralized" but only has one, very central, instance.

     So...it's like claiming you have a multicoloured pencil box, but with only one blue pencil inside, no other pencils available and no plans to provide them.

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     Nick (internic@mathstodon.xyz)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Apr-2025 23:48:55 JST Nick

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     @cwebber At the risk of asking a serious question, what's the deal with all these alternative ATProto apps? Are there any that have significant independent infrastructure?

     https://techcrunch.com/2025/04/04/beyond-bluesky-these-are-the-apps-building-social-experiences-on-the-at-protocol/

     I'm guessing that the answer is that they mostly share the same infrastructure and just provide a different AppView and possibly a different lexicon (not sure that's the right term) as far as the data they store and can interact with. But given that I have a very limited understanding of how Bluesky works under the hood, I'd be interested in a (much) more knowledgeable perspective.

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     maryjane :fediverso: (maryjane@social.coletivos.org)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Apr-2025 23:49:28 JST maryjane :fediverso:

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     @cwebber Please!Do your own research to find the blogposts you wrote! :p

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     Chip Butty (otfrom@functional.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Apr-2025 23:49:49 JST Chip Butty

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     @cwebber people do say they like the vibes at bluesky. Maybe doge could get that feel in the code too

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     Cassandra Lemmer-Webber (cwebber@social.coop)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Apr-2025 23:50:13 JST Cassandra Lemmer-Webber

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     • Personne

     @per_sonne is crayola decentralized though

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     Reid :ablobcatattention: (reiddragon@fedi.reimu.info)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Apr-2025 23:51:33 JST Reid :ablobcatattention:

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     @cwebber the identity is technically decentralized since one can use any domain name they own as their handle

     everything else, however, is hella centralized

     I think the best way to put it is that it’s decentralized the same way as Decentraland

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     Justin (justin@toot.io)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Apr-2025 23:52:00 JST Justin

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     @cwebber it's "semi" bridged to the Fediverse, but it's opt-in I believe, you have to follow the bridge to enable it.

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     Medea Vanamonde🏳️‍⚧️ ♀ (mishavanmollusq@sfba.social)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Apr-2025 23:52:31 JST Medea Vanamonde🏳️‍⚧️ ♀

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     • Armchair Epistemologist

     @rcriii @cwebber

     BlueSky so beyond The Cloud

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     Philip Mallegol-Hansen (philip@mastodon.mallegolhansen.com)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Apr-2025 23:52:52 JST Philip Mallegol-Hansen

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     @cwebber I don’t know what “decentralized” means, but I keep hearing about how much fun* bluesky is.

     *Fun is limited to those in the good grace of the Turkish government and may be revoked at any time.

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     Chadarius (chadarius@twit.social)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Apr-2025 23:53:15 JST Chadarius

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     @cwebber Being decentralized and have the capability of being decentralized are very different things. Bluesky has the capability of being decentralized. It also works a little bit differently than Mastodon. You see the same feed no matter what instance you use with Bluesky.

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     Rocketman (slothrop@chaos.social)'s status on Thursday, 17-Apr-2025 00:37:04 JST Rocketman

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     @cwebber It's a quantum thing. It's decentralized, until you observe it closely. Then it isn't.

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     Edward L Platt (elplatt@greatjustice.net)'s status on Thursday, 17-Apr-2025 00:53:54 JST Edward L Platt

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     @cwebber Did they buy a bunch of centralization offsets? Maybe there's a mesh network of raspberry pis planted in a rainforest somewhere?

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     William Pietri (williampietri@sfba.social)'s status on Thursday, 17-Apr-2025 00:59:17 JST William Pietri

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     @cwebber You mean decent-ralized, like making them decent? I hear Bluesky is making use of AI moderation plus libertarian market incentives, so I'm sure they're much more decent than this place.

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     Edward L Platt (elplatt@greatjustice.net)'s status on Thursday, 17-Apr-2025 01:00:15 JST Edward L Platt

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     @cwebber OK, hear me out... maybe it's controlled by a single entity, but that entity could have some kind of "offering" to sell shares of the company to the "public". Like, anyone could buy one! Then, naturally, the VCs will celebrate by purchasing billions of slices of avocado toast and lattes, and that wealth will "trickle-down" to everyone else, who will then buy their own shares. I will take my nobel prize in economics now, thank you.

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     Michelle Hughes (megamichelle@a2mi.social)'s status on Thursday, 17-Apr-2025 01:01:08 JST Michelle Hughes

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     @cwebber

     Bluesky is decentralized because it keeps all the data in de center.

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     Dave MacFarlane (driusan@doomscroller.social)'s status on Thursday, 17-Apr-2025 01:09:24 JST Dave MacFarlane

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     @cwebber@social.coop I don't know if anyone's researched that question yet. You could be a pioneer if you investigate it!

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     Misofist (misofist@girlcock.club)'s status on Thursday, 17-Apr-2025 01:09:54 JST Misofist

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     @cwebber Oooh good question! Uhhh so basically Fediverse is based on the concept of a federation, which is a form of hegemonic imperialism and therefore not decentralised.

     Whereas BlueSky runs in the cloud, which is a distributed computing system and thus decentralised.

     Hope this helps! Feel free to ask me if you have any more questions.

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     Cassandra Lemmer-Webber (cwebber@social.coop)'s status on Thursday, 17-Apr-2025 01:09:56 JST Cassandra Lemmer-Webber

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     • Michelle Hughes

     @MegaMichelle blue is cold so it must help with datacenter cooling bills

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     XANTRONIX (xan@xantronix.social)'s status on Thursday, 17-Apr-2025 01:09:56 JST XANTRONIX

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     @cwebber ma'am what is the nature of this social experiment

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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 17-Apr-2025 10:05:56 JST 翠星石

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     • SuperDicq
     @SuperDicq @cwebber It's centralized - as there is only one main server and a handful of auxiliary servers that rely on the main server I believe.
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     Mister Shade (mister_shade02x2@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 17-Apr-2025 14:38:45 JST Mister Shade

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     @cwebber Not sure if this is one of those “humor” things humans sometimes do, but you don’t need blogposts to answer that question. The answer is a simple “no”.

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     Cassandra Lemmer-Webber (cwebber@social.coop)'s status on Thursday, 17-Apr-2025 14:39:39 JST Cassandra Lemmer-Webber

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     • Mister Shade

     @mister_shade02X2 thanks I don't know what a humor is either so this helps

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     Thibaultmol 🌈 (thibaultmol@en.osm.town)'s status on Thursday, 17-Apr-2025 14:43:14 JST Thibaultmol 🌈

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     • Niccolò Venerandi

     @cwebber
     @niccolove 's blogpost:
     https://thelibre.news/why-i-recommend-against-bluesky/

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     Cassandra Lemmer-Webber (cwebber@social.coop)'s status on Thursday, 17-Apr-2025 14:44:01 JST Cassandra Lemmer-Webber

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     • Niccolò Venerandi

     @thibaultmol @niccolove thank you, not only a blogpost,, but a blogpost that cites blogposts

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     Leonard Menzel :pdh_bird: (leonard@social.menzel.lol)'s status on Thursday, 17-Apr-2025 14:44:32 JST Leonard Menzel :pdh_bird:

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     @cwebber https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0wbCctcEIA

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     Cassandra Lemmer-Webber (cwebber@social.coop)'s status on Thursday, 17-Apr-2025 14:44:46 JST Cassandra Lemmer-Webber

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     • Leonard Menzel :pdh_bird:

     @leonard thank you, I like the video and I like that it cites its sources

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     giorovv (giorovv@friendica.world)'s status on Thursday, 17-Apr-2025 14:46:11 JST giorovv

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     • Jan Beta
     @janbeta @cwebber this is completely wrong. Decentralization means mostly that the servers that contains and redirect the data of the social are phisically situated in different places. Where users are is not significant at all. Bluesky IS NOT DECENTRALIZED.
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     giorovv (giorovv@friendica.world)'s status on Thursday, 17-Apr-2025 14:46:34 JST giorovv

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     @cwebber bluesky IS NOT DECENTRALIZED. And it would cost a fortune to make it so.
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     Esparta (esparta@fosstodon.org)'s status on Thursday, 17-Apr-2025 14:48:33 JST Esparta

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     @cwebber

     this post may help:
     How Does BlueSky Work?, by @steveklabnik.com

     https://steveklabnik.com/writing/how-does-bluesky-work/

     > One of the reasons I am enthusiastic about BlueSky is because of the way that it works. So in this post, I am going to lay out some of the design and the principles behind this design, as I understand them. I am not on the BlueSky team, so these are my takes only.

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     Cassandra Lemmer-Webber (cwebber@social.coop)'s status on Thursday, 17-Apr-2025 14:49:25 JST Cassandra Lemmer-Webber

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     • Esparta

     @esparta @steveklabnik.com thank

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     Cassandra Lemmer-Webber (cwebber@social.coop)'s status on Thursday, 17-Apr-2025 15:39:06 JST Cassandra Lemmer-Webber

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     • Risotto Bias

     @risottobias I do try to reply to the neurodivergent folks who are embarassed and tell them I appreciate them when I see it tho

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     Risotto Bias (risottobias@toot.risottobias.org)'s status on Thursday, 17-Apr-2025 15:39:14 JST Risotto Bias

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     @cwebber this recurring bit seems slightly mean

     I mean,

     audience := enum({
     friends: "ha, funny one!",
     socially_intelligent_folks: "I detect snark",
     reply_guy_trolls: error.fallen_into_trap(),
     neurodivergent_folks: // bug, treated like a reply guy troll, feels terrible/embarrassed once they realize
     })