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   Christine Lemmer-Webber (cwebber@social.coop)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Dec-2024 08:17:26 JST Christine Lemmer-Webber

   Remember that whole "The FBI is saying US citizens should use E2EE apps!"

   Yes well but now they are also saying "we're planning on mandating backdoors for us in them though" 🙄 https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2024/12/08/fbi-warns-iphone-android-users-change-whatsapp-facebook-messenger-signal-apps/

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     Christine Lemmer-Webber (cwebber@social.coop)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Dec-2024 08:18:02 JST Christine Lemmer-Webber

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     "Responsibly managed encryption" sigh

     The responsible way to manage encryption is to not backdoor it

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     screwlisp (screwtape@mastodon.sdf.org)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Dec-2024 08:30:10 JST screwlisp

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     @cwebber
     Need a different term for end-to-end-except-for-that-end e2eefte ?

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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Dec-2024 08:57:23 JST Fish of Rage

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     • Softwarewolf
     @faoluin they literally are already illegally spying on americans
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     Softwarewolf (faoluin@chitter.xyz)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Dec-2024 08:57:25 JST Softwarewolf

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     @cwebber Given the clowns that might be heading up the FBI next year, *fuck that* and *fuck them*.

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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Dec-2024 09:20:17 JST Fish of Rage

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     • Softwarewolf
     • Nudhul
     @faoluin @Nudhul this is called turnkey tyranny. when the state builds an apparatus that isn't used immediately to completely crush dissent, but could be turned on in a minute at any time in the future to do it.
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     Softwarewolf (faoluin@chitter.xyz)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Dec-2024 09:20:19 JST Softwarewolf

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     • Fish of Rage
     • Nudhul

     @Nudhul @sun I'm aware that this is what they already do. But the incoming people now have real political agendas against me and my friends. My disgruntlement has gone from passive to active.

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     Nudhul (nudhul@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Dec-2024 09:20:20 JST Nudhul

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     • Softwarewolf
     • Fish of Rage
     @sun @faoluin thats what they've always done, and the cia, and the nsa.
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     Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧 (jeffcliff@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Dec-2024 09:23:39 JST Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧

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     • Cwtch
     @cwebber @cwtch users not affected.
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     Asta [AMP] (aud@fire.asta.lgbt)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Dec-2024 09:24:01 JST Asta [AMP]

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     @cwebber@social.coop even if you could magically make a hole in the wall and have it guarded by Snackwell's demon, Signal is open source. What's to stop anyone from literally adding // here is the FBI backdoor around the relevant lines of code.
     
     Not that it wouldn't be totally suspicious if a bunch of new code was added with no explanation or anything, either.

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     Asta [AMP] (aud@fire.asta.lgbt)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Dec-2024 09:24:11 JST Asta [AMP]

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     @cwebber@social.coop We don't just want a magic backdoor, we want it be added to the code with magic, too!

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     Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧 (jeffcliff@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Dec-2024 09:24:51 JST Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧

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     • Asta [AMP]
     @aud @cwebber
     
     >We don't just want a magic backdoor, don't just want it be added to the code with magic...we *also* want a circle of protection spell to guard against people *modifying or sharing their modified versions of the code*
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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Dec-2024 09:25:04 JST Fish of Rage

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     • Softwarewolf
     • Nudhul
     @faoluin @Nudhul 9/11 basically. goes back further than that but 9/11 was the mask-off moment.
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     Softwarewolf (faoluin@chitter.xyz)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Dec-2024 09:25:06 JST Softwarewolf

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     • Fish of Rage
     • Nudhul

     @sun @Nudhul Yup, it's been coming for a while now. What else did we expect from a corporate-police-surveillance state?

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     Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧 (jeffcliff@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Dec-2024 09:25:15 JST Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧

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     • screwlisp
     @screwtape @cwebber end to MITM encryption
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     J. "Henry" Waugh (jhwgh1968@chaos.social)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Dec-2024 09:25:27 JST J. "Henry" Waugh

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     @cwebber called it!

     https://chaos.social/@jhwgh1968/113591558159027511

     While I don't think it was particularly difficult to call, I was a bit disappointed at the number of people here who were thinking it was a "self own" or a change in policy upon it first being announced

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     Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧 (jeffcliff@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Dec-2024 10:06:13 JST Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧

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     • Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧
     @aud since you liked the other post make sure you see this one ^^
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     ティージェーグレェ (teajaygrey@snac.bsd.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Dec-2024 10:06:25 JST ティージェーグレェ

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     IMHO, it's very telling that the FBI is recommending specifically WhatsApp, Facebook Messenger and Signal.
     
     All of which use Axolotl/Double Ratchet.
     
     Moreover, writing as someone who personally knows Moxie and another Signal dev, as well as having previously worked with an individual who later became CSO at Facebook.
     
     sigh Let's just say that I don't think Crypto AG or NIST's Dual_EC_DRBG examples of backdoored cryptography were unique nor the last we've seen of such things. I would be extremely leery of anything the FBI ever recommended in E2EE apps.
     
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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Dec-2024 10:12:35 JST Fish of Rage

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     • Softwarewolf
     • deutrino
     • Nudhul
     @Nudhul @deutrino @faoluin I had a huge kitchen knife in my backpack by accident and flew twice before I found it and realized it got through all the detectors
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     deutrino (deutrino@mstdn.io)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Dec-2024 10:12:36 JST deutrino

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     • Softwarewolf
     • Fish of Rage
     • Nudhul

     @sun @faoluin @Nudhul I remember yelling at the TV that day about all the shit that was gonna happen (and did in fact happen) for like 5 hours with one of my very good politically-aware friends

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     Nudhul (nudhul@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Dec-2024 10:12:36 JST Nudhul

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     • Softwarewolf
     • deutrino
     • Fish of Rage
     @deutrino @sun @faoluin reminder that there have been many examples of people smuggling contraband onto planes solely to demonstrate the ineptitude of the TSA. its a big money pit that does nothing but deprive you of your income, like all the rest of government.
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     Asta [AMP] (aud@fire.asta.lgbt)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Dec-2024 20:10:06 JST Asta [AMP]

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     @cwebber@social.coop ooooh I didn't actually read the article before and now that I've read it I'm just mad
     
     literally, literally the reason we're in this situation to begin with, ffs

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     Orca? | ??️‍⚧️ (orca@nya.one)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Dec-2024 20:56:06 JST Orca? | ??️‍⚧️

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     @cwebber@social.coop We're breached by China because we added backdoor to our infrastructure, and we're going to solve this by adding more backdoors! Yay!!
     🤡