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    Christine Lemmer-Webber (cwebber@social.coop)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Dec-2024 08:17:26 JST Christine Lemmer-Webber Christine Lemmer-Webber

    Remember that whole "The FBI is saying US citizens should use E2EE apps!"

    Yes well but now they are also saying "we're planning on mandating backdoors for us in them though" 🙄 https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2024/12/08/fbi-warns-iphone-android-users-change-whatsapp-facebook-messenger-signal-apps/

    In conversation Tuesday, 10-Dec-2024 08:17:26 JST from social.coop permalink

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      FBI Warns iPhone, Android Users—Change WhatsApp, Facebook Messenger, Signal Apps
      from Zak Doffman
      FBI warns all users to stop texting—but secure messaging apps must also be changed. Here’s what you need to know.
    • Jeff "never listens to women" Cliff, B.Sc. 😷 🇮🇷🇱🇧🇨🇦🧯🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🐧 and MortSinyx like this.
    • alcinnz, tinydoctor, screwlisp and Jeff "never listens to women" Cliff, B.Sc. 😷 🇮🇷🇱🇧🇨🇦🧯🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🐧 repeated this.
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      Christine Lemmer-Webber (cwebber@social.coop)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Dec-2024 08:18:02 JST Christine Lemmer-Webber Christine Lemmer-Webber
      in reply to

      "Responsibly managed encryption" sigh

      The responsible way to manage encryption is to not backdoor it

      In conversation Tuesday, 10-Dec-2024 08:18:02 JST permalink
      Jeff "never listens to women" Cliff, B.Sc. 😷 🇮🇷🇱🇧🇨🇦🧯🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🐧 likes this.
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      screwlisp (screwtape@mastodon.sdf.org)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Dec-2024 08:30:10 JST screwlisp screwlisp
      in reply to

      @cwebber
      Need a different term for end-to-end-except-for-that-end e2eefte ?

      In conversation Tuesday, 10-Dec-2024 08:30:10 JST permalink
      Jeff "never listens to women" Cliff, B.Sc. 😷 🇮🇷🇱🇧🇨🇦🧯🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🐧 likes this.
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      Blurry Moon (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Dec-2024 08:57:23 JST Blurry Moon Blurry Moon
      in reply to
      • Softwarewolf
      @faoluin they literally are already illegally spying on americans
      In conversation Tuesday, 10-Dec-2024 08:57:23 JST permalink
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      Softwarewolf (faoluin@chitter.xyz)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Dec-2024 08:57:25 JST Softwarewolf Softwarewolf
      in reply to

      @cwebber Given the clowns that might be heading up the FBI next year, *fuck that* and *fuck them*.

      In conversation Tuesday, 10-Dec-2024 08:57:25 JST permalink
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      Blurry Moon (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Dec-2024 09:20:17 JST Blurry Moon Blurry Moon
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      • Softwarewolf
      • Nudhul
      @faoluin @Nudhul this is called turnkey tyranny. when the state builds an apparatus that isn't used immediately to completely crush dissent, but could be turned on in a minute at any time in the future to do it.
      In conversation Tuesday, 10-Dec-2024 09:20:17 JST permalink
      Jeff "never listens to women" Cliff, B.Sc. 😷 🇮🇷🇱🇧🇨🇦🧯🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🐧 likes this.
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      Softwarewolf (faoluin@chitter.xyz)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Dec-2024 09:20:19 JST Softwarewolf Softwarewolf
      in reply to
      • Blurry Moon
      • Nudhul

      @Nudhul @sun I'm aware that this is what they already do. But the incoming people now have real political agendas against me and my friends. My disgruntlement has gone from passive to active.

      In conversation Tuesday, 10-Dec-2024 09:20:19 JST permalink
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      Nudhul (nudhul@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Dec-2024 09:20:20 JST Nudhul Nudhul
      in reply to
      • Softwarewolf
      • Blurry Moon
      @sun @faoluin thats what they've always done, and the cia, and the nsa.
      In conversation Tuesday, 10-Dec-2024 09:20:20 JST permalink
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      Jeff "never listens to women" Cliff, B.Sc. 😷 🇮🇷🇱🇧🇨🇦🧯🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🐧 (jeffcliff@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Dec-2024 09:23:39 JST  Jeff "never listens to women" Cliff, B.Sc. 😷 🇮🇷🇱🇧🇨🇦🧯🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🐧 Jeff "never listens to women" Cliff, B.Sc. 😷 🇮🇷🇱🇧🇨🇦🧯🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🐧
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      • Cwtch
      @cwebber @cwtch users not affected.
      In conversation Tuesday, 10-Dec-2024 09:23:39 JST permalink
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      Asta [AMP] (aud@fire.asta.lgbt)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Dec-2024 09:24:01 JST Asta [AMP] Asta [AMP]
      in reply to

      @cwebber@social.coop even if you could magically make a hole in the wall and have it guarded by Snackwell's demon, Signal is open source. What's to stop anyone from literally adding // here is the FBI backdoor around the relevant lines of code.

      Not that it wouldn't be totally suspicious if a bunch of new code was added with no explanation or anything, either.

      In conversation Tuesday, 10-Dec-2024 09:24:01 JST permalink
      Jeff "never listens to women" Cliff, B.Sc. 😷 🇮🇷🇱🇧🇨🇦🧯🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🐧 likes this.
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      Asta [AMP] (aud@fire.asta.lgbt)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Dec-2024 09:24:11 JST Asta [AMP] Asta [AMP]
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      @cwebber@social.coop We don't just want a magic backdoor, we want it be added to the code with magic, too!

      In conversation Tuesday, 10-Dec-2024 09:24:11 JST permalink
      Jeff "never listens to women" Cliff, B.Sc. 😷 🇮🇷🇱🇧🇨🇦🧯🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🐧 likes this.
      Christine Lemmer-Webber repeated this.
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      Jeff "never listens to women" Cliff, B.Sc. 😷 🇮🇷🇱🇧🇨🇦🧯🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🐧 (jeffcliff@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Dec-2024 09:24:51 JST  Jeff "never listens to women" Cliff, B.Sc. 😷 🇮🇷🇱🇧🇨🇦🧯🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🐧 Jeff "never listens to women" Cliff, B.Sc. 😷 🇮🇷🇱🇧🇨🇦🧯🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🐧
      in reply to
      • Asta [AMP]
      @aud @cwebber

      >We don't just want a magic backdoor, don't just want it be added to the code with magic...we *also* want a circle of protection spell to guard against people *modifying or sharing their modified versions of the code*
      In conversation Tuesday, 10-Dec-2024 09:24:51 JST permalink
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      Blurry Moon (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Dec-2024 09:25:04 JST Blurry Moon Blurry Moon
      in reply to
      • Softwarewolf
      • Nudhul
      @faoluin @Nudhul 9/11 basically. goes back further than that but 9/11 was the mask-off moment.
      In conversation Tuesday, 10-Dec-2024 09:25:04 JST permalink
      Jeff "never listens to women" Cliff, B.Sc. 😷 🇮🇷🇱🇧🇨🇦🧯🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🐧 likes this.
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      Softwarewolf (faoluin@chitter.xyz)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Dec-2024 09:25:06 JST Softwarewolf Softwarewolf
      in reply to
      • Blurry Moon
      • Nudhul

      @sun @Nudhul Yup, it's been coming for a while now. What else did we expect from a corporate-police-surveillance state?

      In conversation Tuesday, 10-Dec-2024 09:25:06 JST permalink
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      Jeff "never listens to women" Cliff, B.Sc. 😷 🇮🇷🇱🇧🇨🇦🧯🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🐧 (jeffcliff@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Dec-2024 09:25:15 JST  Jeff "never listens to women" Cliff, B.Sc. 😷 🇮🇷🇱🇧🇨🇦🧯🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🐧 Jeff "never listens to women" Cliff, B.Sc. 😷 🇮🇷🇱🇧🇨🇦🧯🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🐧
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      • screwlisp
      @screwtape @cwebber end to MITM encryption
      In conversation Tuesday, 10-Dec-2024 09:25:15 JST permalink
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      J. "Henry" Waugh (jhwgh1968@chaos.social)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Dec-2024 09:25:27 JST J. "Henry" Waugh J. "Henry" Waugh
      in reply to

      @cwebber called it!

      https://chaos.social/@jhwgh1968/113591558159027511

      While I don't think it was particularly difficult to call, I was a bit disappointed at the number of people here who were thinking it was a "self own" or a change in policy upon it first being announced

      In conversation Tuesday, 10-Dec-2024 09:25:27 JST permalink
      Jeff "never listens to women" Cliff, B.Sc. 😷 🇮🇷🇱🇧🇨🇦🧯🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🐧 likes this.
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      Jeff "never listens to women" Cliff, B.Sc. 😷 🇮🇷🇱🇧🇨🇦🧯🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🐧 (jeffcliff@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Dec-2024 10:06:13 JST  Jeff "never listens to women" Cliff, B.Sc. 😷 🇮🇷🇱🇧🇨🇦🧯🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🐧 Jeff "never listens to women" Cliff, B.Sc. 😷 🇮🇷🇱🇧🇨🇦🧯🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🐧
      in reply to
      • Asta [AMP]
      • Jeff "never listens to women" Cliff, B.Sc. 😷 🇮🇷🇱🇧🇨🇦🧯🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🐧
      @aud since you liked the other post make sure you see this one ^^
      In conversation Tuesday, 10-Dec-2024 10:06:13 JST permalink
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      ティージェーグレェ (teajaygrey@snac.bsd.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Dec-2024 10:06:25 JST ティージェーグレェ ティージェーグレェ
      in reply to
      IMHO, it's very telling that the FBI is recommending specifically WhatsApp, Facebook Messenger and Signal.

      All of which use Axolotl/Double Ratchet.

      Moreover, writing as someone who personally knows Moxie and another Signal dev, as well as having previously worked with an individual who later became CSO at Facebook.

      sigh Let's just say that I don't think Crypto AG or NIST's Dual_EC_DRBG examples of backdoored cryptography were unique nor the last we've seen of such things. I would be extremely leery of anything the FBI ever recommended in E2EE apps.
      In conversation Tuesday, 10-Dec-2024 10:06:25 JST permalink
      Jeff "never listens to women" Cliff, B.Sc. 😷 🇮🇷🇱🇧🇨🇦🧯🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🐧 likes this.
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      Blurry Moon (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Dec-2024 10:12:35 JST Blurry Moon Blurry Moon
      in reply to
      • Softwarewolf
      • deutrino
      • Nudhul
      @Nudhul @deutrino @faoluin I had a huge kitchen knife in my backpack by accident and flew twice before I found it and realized it got through all the detectors
      In conversation Tuesday, 10-Dec-2024 10:12:35 JST permalink
      Jeff "never listens to women" Cliff, B.Sc. 😷 🇮🇷🇱🇧🇨🇦🧯🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🐧 likes this.
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      deutrino (deutrino@mstdn.io)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Dec-2024 10:12:36 JST deutrino deutrino
      in reply to
      • Softwarewolf
      • Blurry Moon
      • Nudhul

      @sun @faoluin @Nudhul I remember yelling at the TV that day about all the shit that was gonna happen (and did in fact happen) for like 5 hours with one of my very good politically-aware friends

      In conversation Tuesday, 10-Dec-2024 10:12:36 JST permalink
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      Nudhul (nudhul@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Dec-2024 10:12:36 JST Nudhul Nudhul
      in reply to
      • Softwarewolf
      • deutrino
      • Blurry Moon
      @deutrino @sun @faoluin reminder that there have been many examples of people smuggling contraband onto planes solely to demonstrate the ineptitude of the TSA. its a big money pit that does nothing but deprive you of your income, like all the rest of government.
      In conversation Tuesday, 10-Dec-2024 10:12:36 JST permalink
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      Asta [AMP] (aud@fire.asta.lgbt)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Dec-2024 20:10:06 JST Asta [AMP] Asta [AMP]
      in reply to

      @cwebber@social.coop ooooh I didn't actually read the article before and now that I've read it I'm just mad

      literally, literally the reason we're in this situation to begin with, ffs

      In conversation Tuesday, 10-Dec-2024 20:10:06 JST permalink
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      Orca? | ??️‍⚧️ (orca@nya.one)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Dec-2024 20:56:06 JST Orca? | ??️‍⚧️ Orca? | ??️‍⚧️
      in reply to

      @cwebber@social.coop We're breached by China because we added backdoor to our infrastructure, and we're going to solve this by adding more backdoors! Yay!!
      🤡

      In conversation Tuesday, 10-Dec-2024 20:56:06 JST permalink

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