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@amszmidt I might have garbled it, but he was talking about structured programming. So when the data structure being operated on is a cons cell, use car and cdr, and when the data structure being operated on is a list, use list functions like first and last (for example, but also consider something like subseq). I'm open to not necessarily agreeing with Allen's book (for undergraduates).
@simon_brooke

@amszmidt
Doug linked John Allen's book which spends about 50 pages asking people to please not use car and cdr as though they were intended as general list manipulation tools, even though they might be literally implemented as first and rest, since it's a failure of abstraction or something.

@riley @dougmerritt
Yeah,
(let ((alist '((:foo . bar) (:baz buz))))
(cdr (assoc :foo alist)) ; -> bar
(cadr (assoc :baz alist))) ; -> buz
There isn't a lot of cost (well, one cons to nil) of using cadr or second instead of cdr. And then you could store other stuff in later positions of the list as well. When I only knew the definitions of assoc and pairlis, I mostly used cdr, but then in lisp code I've read, like you said, the cadr one seems more common in lots of places.

@lispi314
Someone's toots are being blocked by my instance, or have blocked me o_o
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@queenofhatred
Armed bear common lisp, assume the grad student marking you isn't going to delve too deeply into the depths of your jars.
@remilia

Beware, I live! 💀
@ParadeGrotesque @cwebber

#lispyGopherClimate #important #announcement
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Possibly I didn't bang the drum enough.

@kentpitman is joining me #live for the show - 0UTC Wednesday, Tuesday evening in the Americas. I'll toot the link on mastodon a few hours before the show as always.

If you could join and ask questions live or beforehand here in this thread (if you join through the archive).

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@dougmerritt
Oh we were actually going to talk about this, ironically Kent just said something similar to what you shared viz "well if you can do paragraph formatting in 8 bits, that's what I've got left"

The revolution *will* in fact be on a non-radio / fedi ;p
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Thanks for the incredible #interview and episode Kent Pitman and everyone ! Lots of #lisp #emacs #teco #programming #lore #unique #historicalNotes

https://archives.anonradio.net/202502120000_screwtape.mp3

(One hour)

Please do ping Kent (and me!) about topics you are particularly interested in Kent following up on in later interviews, or releasing from his personal software stockpiles.

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- will passes control to LLM trained on his speeches
@amszmidt @rwxrwxrwx

@notptr yeah, my game of trees habit introduces so much extraneous exposition, I should just keep it or at most drop in a link to https://gameoftrees.org/index.html.

Yukari's deploy?

https://40ants.com/lisp-project-of-the-day/2020/04/0037-deploy.html

though from what I can see here, you end up having the long :components listing in the defsystem I prefer to have inferred. I guess 40ants also uses :class :package-inferred-system normally.

I wrote up what I was trying to share on the show about my usual-approach to #git and #asdf #systems (in #lisp). #programming #itch #itch_io #devlog #gamedev er, sharpsign technical discussion. #commonLisp.

https://lispy-gopher-show.itch.io/lispmoo2/devlog/876765/lengthy-detailed-git-and-asdf-lisp-story

Aptly titled. If you know A Better Way, I would like to talk about that here.

Or, also if you currently use a language that works very differently to this.

https://lispy-gopher-show.itch.io/lispmoo2/devlog/876765/lengthy-detailed-git-and-asdf-lisp-story

@craigbro
I try to keep walking in one direction. Such as, I don't expect to try and adopt an interface manager other than CLIM, or transducers other than Series, or when not series, a loop other than loop.

Though I do sometimes get-really-into-org, or I get-really-into-asdf, but those being different, I end up wanting what I don't currently have and change (back) I think.

I guess at the moment I primarily only-use-openbsd, though I kinda expect to use FreeBSD more as well eventua
@jayalane

@hairylarry
I think everyone feels like viz their git useage and so forth. Which is why I tried to spell what I do out a bit, and
@schroeder @mdhughes and @craigbro shared a bit of what they do.

By the way, how do you do your archives? Since the archiver and anonradio seem to specifically fail during Northernlights' and our shows, I guess I need a different archival happening.

@dougmerritt @prahou @nosrednayduj @pkw @sacha @shizamura @rat @SDF @kentpitman

@nlupo
Thanks for joining, of a time, some episodes were more focused. I was a bit under the weather last week and this week.
@SDF @kentpitman

@prahou
Appearing to be pathetically ignorant is my superpower!

Somehow.

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@dougmerritt
Oh, yeah, so I had two thoughts. One is like using a computer at all
$ emacs --daemon
$ emacsclient -c
$ M-x slime
C-x C-f .. this kind of thing.

Secondly, when I opened that PR for @mdhughes to make Arrokoth into an ASDF system, it occurs to me that not everyone might force recompilation of changed packages in their system the same way as me, and other peoples' experience and practice might be shared
@prahou @nosrednayduj @hairylarry @pkw @sacha @shizamura @rat @SDF @kentpitman

I hope everyone can share their own computer basics (live)!
@mdhughes @nosrednayduj @hairylarry @dougmerritt @pkw @prahou @sacha @shizamura @rat
at.. everyone
@SDF @kentpitman

#lispyGopherClimate live 0UTC Wednesday (about an hour and a half from now) on https://anonradio.net:8443/anonradio @SDF

#ClimateCrisis #haiku by @kentpitman

I'm a bit off-color again this week, so let's just all share our personal #computer #basics.

Abotu #asdf, #lisp, #emacs, #links2, #eww, #slime, #git, #mcclim etc, when I say I like to

(defsystem "foo" :class :package-inferred-system :depends-on (:foo/user))

...what?

#chat #lambdaMOO #live
telnet lambda.moo.mud.org 8888
co guest
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