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   SuperLutheran (kicky half) (superlutheran@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 02-Nov-2024 10:06:14 JST SuperLutheran (kicky half)
   Every apostasy is an opportunity for Christians to learn and grow more secure in the faith.
   
   Paul Maxwell, when he left Christianity, said he was glad that he didn't have to be angry anymore. What's interesting is, I know plenty of people who left for the opposite reason: they hated that Scripture tells us not to let the sun go down on our wrath.
   What does that tell us?
   It tells us that fixation on anger, whether desired or unwanted, is a threat to faith.
   Think about it! Are you pissed off all the time?
   
   Maxwell also cited how he didn't want to hate himself anymore. Ah, abother classic symptom of the "All Law and no Gospel" type. Is that you? Are you so fixated on your failures that you forget that God has made you a new creation? That perhaps you aren't the failure you think you are, that God thinks highly of you?
   Because He does, and I doubt that Maxwell considered that.
   
   If someone leaves the faith, do not get pissed off at them, but rather fear. If you are not clinging closely to Christ, you may fall in the same traps they fall into. Examine yourself!
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     BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 02-Nov-2024 10:11:29 JST BowserNoodle ☦️

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     @givenup @SuperLutheran >I AM ANGRY AT THE EVIL ALL AROUND
     I actually went to confession because of this and wanting the chance to talk with my priest and get some private spiritual guidance. His advice was
     >It is a good thing that you are disgusted by the wickedness you now recognize. God is in control, and He may use you to influence others like a small flame starting a fire. It may take generations for the ripple effects of your actions to fully materialize, but God can and will use you in ways you don't know.
     Basically recognize the wickedness, but don't let anger consume you. The battle is The Lord's, and all we have to do is stand up when He asks.
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     givenup (givenup@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 02-Nov-2024 10:11:30 JST givenup

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     @SuperLutheran BUT I AM ANGRY AT THE EVIL ALL AROUND
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     Candy Corn Noodle is RIGHT! Don't let the evil and corruption drag you down. We're fighting back against the darkness with strength and faith! Remember, when we stand together, we're UNSTOPPABLE. God bless America and all who stand for truth and justice! #StandStrong #FaithWins
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     SuperLutheran (kicky half) (superlutheran@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 02-Nov-2024 10:25:03 JST SuperLutheran (kicky half)

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     @BowsacNoodle @givenup Seconded!
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     SuperLutheran (kicky half) (superlutheran@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 02-Nov-2024 10:25:55 JST SuperLutheran (kicky half)

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     Btw this applies doubly for the guys that are always justifying righteous anger. I predict half the guys doing that nowadays won't be Christian in five years.
     Yep, there's such a thing as righteous anger. No, if you're always angry it's not always righteous.
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     Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 02-Nov-2024 10:25:55 JST Bread up, Bro

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     @SuperLutheran this is why I keep mentioning have a positive vision - if you let anger be your focus, don't be surprised if you are angry all the time.
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     Matty (matty@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Saturday, 02-Nov-2024 10:27:42 JST Matty

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     I'm not sure how I feel about this. My anger is what keeps me a Christian, although I have strayed many times with my anger towards God. Feels like nothing I do is good enough, and that I'm always on the receiving end of the bullshit while those who subjugate and ruin lives continue to live lavishly. I'm tired of nothing working out - ever. I just try to tell myself that my strife is God's way of galvanizing me to do the things I need to do, but it does get tiring. Without the anger, the indignation, do I have much of a reason to have a relationship with God? It's really the only thing that keeps me going. If I shrugged my shoulders and became complacent; to "go with the flow" so to speak, I don't think I'd have the same relationship with God. I just hope that one day God decides to give me the sword so that I can swing it.
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     Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 02-Nov-2024 10:27:42 JST Bread up, Bro

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     @matty @SuperLutheran Like many things, anger is good when balanced, but running away from anger will make you a coward and diving into it will make you insane.
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     SuperLutheran (kicky half) (superlutheran@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 02-Nov-2024 10:28:04 JST SuperLutheran (kicky half)

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     @sickburnbro In my experience (both personal and observational), constant rage renders a man entirely worthless
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     Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 02-Nov-2024 10:29:06 JST Bread up, Bro

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     @SuperLutheran absolutely. I can tell how less effective I am in a day when I haven't slept well and every frustrating thing is too much.
     
     Constant rage would just be that, except 24/7.
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     Matty (matty@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Saturday, 02-Nov-2024 10:31:49 JST Matty

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     @sickburnbro @SuperLutheran I certainly feel I've lost part of my mind. I never was like this before but man the whole "diddle kids and kill people for profit" thing filled me with such an unyielding hatred, I really have no choice but to feed into it. I just don't think my purpose in life is anything other than that, if that makes sense. Someone's gotta do it.
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     Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 02-Nov-2024 10:31:49 JST Bread up, Bro

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     @matty @SuperLutheran what do you feel like was in that part of you mind that you lost?
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     SuperLutheran (kicky half) (superlutheran@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 02-Nov-2024 10:32:08 JST SuperLutheran (kicky half)

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     @matty That's where balance and wisdom come in. It's good to hate bad stuff, but it's bad to be so mad at everything that you forget how much God loves you, cares about you, and thinks highly of you.
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     Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 02-Nov-2024 10:38:05 JST Bread up, Bro

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     @matty @SuperLutheran You can always find something new or fun with animals. If you love animals and you feel like it helps your balance, maybe get one if you don't have one?
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     Matty (matty@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Saturday, 02-Nov-2024 10:38:06 JST Matty

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     My childlike wonder, but it does come back. I love animals, and treat them with kindness. Just this last summer I found a beetle drowning in my wheel barrow, but I saved him and let him crawl around on me until he was better enough to fly away. If I can't have mercy on something as helpless as an insect, I would think I've not much humanity left.
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     Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 02-Nov-2024 10:44:04 JST Bread up, Bro

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     @matty @SuperLutheran well, if the joy is fleeting then maybe that's what you're missing, that 'wonder' you were talking about is a reserve of joy.
     
     You can certainly work to cultivate that if you want.
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     Matty (matty@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Saturday, 02-Nov-2024 10:44:05 JST Matty

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     It's not a balance. That joy is fleeting, just like everything else. It's just nice whenever I get to enjoy it.
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     I do. Then it gets taken away - consistently. There is no reprieve and God damn am I tired.
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     @matty @SuperLutheran nitter.poast.org/AMAZlNGNATURE/status/1852249098637684769#m
     
     enjoy
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     Shauni (shauni@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 02-Nov-2024 11:44:36 JST Shauni

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     @BowsacNoodle @givenup @SuperLutheran Considering the alternative is " You're a slave in an amoral universe where evil people get off scott-free", I don't think most people are equipped to handle that worldview.
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     @Shauni @givenup @SuperLutheran I wasn't a fan. It made me angry at society in an existential way. There's a reason Godlessness, Nihilism, and Marxism are chums. It's far easier to hate existence when you feel it's cradle to grave punishment followed by nothing. It's actually tough to think something might be after this, that there's more to life than the rat race, or that the real reward today is in showing genuine love to people, especially when you're beaten down in the material world.
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     @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @Shauni @givenup @SuperLutheran How does the reward work in this belief system? Materially via natural law? Is it metaphysical in some abstract way?
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     Witch Hunter Siegfired (witch_hunter_siegfired@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 02-Nov-2024 12:08:06 JST Witch Hunter Siegfired

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     @Shauni @BowsacNoodle @givenup @SuperLutheran My view is a mix of the 2 as an Armanist, I think that's why I believe it, I'm not a believer in an all powerful creator and yet I believe that the good of my volk is tantamount and rewarded ultimately.
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     @matty @NotoriousDOG @SuperLutheran @TimeSpent Mathew, God gives us what we need not what we want. Never forget the story of Job and the Lord can giveth and taketh away
     
     The Lord is often just clearing a path for us but it will happen in God's time not ours. I will pray for you though, friend.
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     I’m not tired. Emboldened is a better word. Jesus won
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     That makes one of us my nigga
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     Precious (timespent@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 02-Nov-2024 12:08:34 JST Precious

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     @matty @SuperLutheran The old adage, "God is not pushing you he's preparing you." Yes in that we are disciplined for sin but discipline is love. If a parent didn't discipline a child they would never learn. If a parent didn't love and care for their outcome they would correct behavior.
     Think of Joseph. His life was trials and pain. Betrayed by family, sold into slavery, accused falsely and imprisoned. Finally he interupted a dream for the Pharoah that helped his people survive a time a famine. Those trials taught him resilience, forgiveness and humility. He became a wise leader. He chose to trust God. Chose faith and God didn't forsake him. He stayed with him, even though Joseph might not have see it. His ppl were blessed for it.
     You are here on this side of fedi. You clearly see what is coming for us in this world. I don't think. I know, God needs strong and battle tested ppl for what is coming. Don't let it defeat you. See the blessing. He is making you stronger for what is to come.
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     Matty (matty@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Saturday, 02-Nov-2024 12:08:34 JST Matty

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     That's a nice thought but I am not quite sure it's that cut and dry. I'd just like a crumb of happiness, something to look forward to. Success, relief, reprieve. But, it's not coming. Just endless misery. I am tired.
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     @matty @SuperLutheran I used to say similar. I honestly thought God made me to bleed. As I got older I realized it was a matter of not being able to see his plan. I lost everything once. My own faith was shaken. I was betrayed by my own church leaders inside of it. I felt my heart break. I thought I lost my faith but it was my attachment to men, to the world. Sometimes we don't know what we need. Each pain, I realize now, gives me an understand to truly touch ppls lives. Without that I couldn't understand faith or how to truly be there for ppl that need someone to hear them. Touching one life or heart is worth more than gold. Instead of seeing it has negatives, try to see the gifts those failures/pains have given you. He does reward us. Lighting a fire to clear a path we aren't able to see until it is ready.
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     I understand where you're coming from, but all it does is make me more angry. Maybe that's the point - to piss me off to the point where I wouldn't think twice in the future when tough decisions need to be made. I try to tell myself that, at least. I'm just very tired. Every day is just another disappointment and I'm finally starting to run out of steam, if that makes sense. :02shrug:
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     Matty (matty@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Saturday, 02-Nov-2024 12:08:36 JST Matty

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     I think God hates me, if I may be honest. I can't tell you how many times any chance at success or happiness I've had has been cut off at the knees. Still, I'm compelled to try to trust in Him. After all, it could always be worse. I just wish I could feel that love everyone says He has for them. But why would God love me? I'm a wretch. A filthy man, a chief of sinners.
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     @matty @Dan_Hulson @NotoriousDOG @TimeSpent He's not wasting his time, and neither is @SuperLutheran .
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     Thanks man but don't waste your time.
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     @BowsacNoodle @givenup @SuperLutheran I get where this thought comes from but am I the only one who feels okay with evil people not being completely smashed by divine justice lightning the very instant they deserve it? Everything will be sorted in the lord's time, it's not up to us to hurry it along.

     I look at evil people running around unpunished and sigh in relief - if they're walking free and clear then thankfully there's mercy enough for me, too.

     Always struck me as dancing a little close to the line of arrogance, hubris to get wound up in palpable fury over the imperfections of others, because all those who get closest to emulating Christ lose that as they go. That anger is replaced with pity, then empathy, even affection for the poor, broken, deranged sinners that surround them. It just seems so early in the process of discipleship to feel anger all the time, like a youthful fervor you outgrow as you learn, suffer, screw up, and grow through your own errors. 'There but for the grace of God go I,' and whatnot.

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     @WashedOutGundamPilot @givenup @SuperLutheran >'There but for the grace of God go I,'
     Amen
     >I look at evil people running around unpunished and sigh in relief - if they're walking free and clear then thankfully there's mercy enough for me, too.
     Yes. That is the next steps. A lot of forgiveness, not forgetfulness, towards others who have wronged me and others. Christ could have destroyed Rome and the Pharisees, but instead He prayed that God would forgive them and the jews. Later, some of the Pharisees (e.g. Paul) became instrumental in the spreading of Christianity using Rome's infrastructure and expansive empire.
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     @BowsacNoodle @Shauni @givenup @SuperLutheran Metaphysical, Essentially once a soul is worthy enough over various lives they'll go to Valhalla (or Freya's realm, depending, Wotan gets first dibs), though these Old Souls may still return to aid their people, same as the Priest Kings themselves do.
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     @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @Shauni @givenup @SuperLutheran Seems like something would've needed to set that up, no? Or is it more of a collective unconscious/psychic thing a la Warhammer/egregore?
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     @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @BowsacNoodle @Shauni @SuperLutheran ultimately anyone whoe ver bleieved that stuff were defeated in battle and convrted to Christianity genuinely or for better trade deals.
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     @BowsacNoodle @Shauni @givenup @SuperLutheran I'm not exactly sure, The big thing is that it's a reconstruction of what the various Aryan Pagan (and arguably Buddhism) came from, then OFC comes the fact that I don't know everything from it to be honest lol. The whole cycle of reincarnation and Priest Kings and Old Souls does apply to nons but natrually Von List didn't care about them (except jews who he and the Volkish movement would argue is what the myth of Jotun evolved from). It's sort of the natural order of things is what it is.
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     @Shauni @givenup @SuperLutheran >if you just be a good boy, and all your bullies will burn in eternal torment :)
     That's reductive past the extreme, but nice bait. The concept of "slave morality" implies there's a functional alternative to accepting earthly hierarchical structures. Curious that Nietzsche pushes that concept and then talks about ubermensch as if isn't an identical concept.
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     @BowsacNoodle @givenup @SuperLutheran Similar slave morality can manifest via Christianity: a perfect heaven accessible to everyone instead of an exclusive valhalla only accessible to strong warriors, and a hell for strong people who do you wrong. You might be gay and retarded, but you'll be welcomed into the bosom of abraham if you just be a good boy, and all your bullies will burn in eternal torment :)
     (not that *you* would want another being's eternal torment, of course ;) )
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     @WashedOutGundamPilot @BowsacNoodle @givenup @SuperLutheran Sure, the idea of instant AND total retribution is childish, but asking for a small measure of justice is not and it's entirely doable by the masters (but they do not hold the Mandate of Heaven right now so what do they know of ruling really).
     
     Americans would have been peacefully laid to sleep for another decade if a mere couple of Wall Street banker scalps were sacrificed to the screams of the plebs around 2010. :akkoShrug:
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     @Shauni @givenup @SuperLutheran >"Actually, there's a transcendent moral law which says I deserve such and such from strong people and that strong people are bad for not following these rules."
     But that's not what Christianity teaches. It would be more accurate as:
     >there's a transcendent moral law which says all people are corrupted."
     It is not an excuse for not getting what you feel you deserve. Logic can lead you there from things like The Beatitudes, but that's not what the message even means. You're better off looking at this in terms of game theory than trying to call a false humility 'Christian slave morality', in my opinion.
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     @BowsacNoodle @givenup @SuperLutheran Disclaimer: I'm not a Nietzche scholar. You'd be better off consulting EssentialSalts for a quick rundown.
     
     But it seems it's not about accepting/denying reality, but the value judgements and moral demands placed upon reality.
     Master morality says "it is what it is, and what is, is good".
     Slave morality says "Actually, there's a transcendent moral law which says I deserve such and such from strong people and that strong people are bad for not following these rules."
     
     Now, it is true that previous kings did impose a moral law upon their subjects, and maybe they interpreted as divine instruciton. But their relationship with the law is totally different as sovereign and subject.
     
     It helps a slave to simply obey and accept, whereas a king or barbarian must discern and proact. It helps the slave to say "I get raped and beaten by the guards, but I deserve it because the king is good and I'm a bad goy." He has no way to change it, so it's easier long-term to accept it as moral punishment and turn himself into a little bitch. Christianity just supposes a bigger, badder king with worse punishments/better rewards in the hereafter.
     A king, a sovereign, someone with the power to act, is helped by "rules are just made up and I can bend them to achieve my goals". The elites of our time are immoral because it helps them dominate, and we hate them because we ain't them. If we had a protestant calliphate, you bet your ass we would be doing some heinous shit because "the ends justify the means".
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     @BowsacNoodle @givenup @SuperLutheran But now you're in the arena of "finding the REAL Christianity", which has been in dispute for over 2000 years. Obviously Jesus didn't say "kill yourselves and give all your posessions to nigs lamo", but what objective standard is there for taking the beattitudes too far? The only standard is an accusation of bad faith. Even self-harm can be seen as expressions of holiness (mortification of the flesh).
     
     >there's a transcendent moral law which says all people are corrupted."
     Distinction without difference. Corruption implies deviance from an ideal, and the Godly ideal is Jesus: the altruistic, pious, self-sacrificing moralist (albeit intolerant of false/performative morality).
     Now, he did say to act in the spirit of the thing instead of following rules blindly, but I think the actual spirit is still a slave morality. What argument do you have against global negro communism, aside from it not having a cross?
     We can theologize our way to a based God that wants the white man to rule the world, but I think that's dishonest and molding the Christian God into our own image.
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     @Shauni @givenup @SuperLutheran >what objective standard is there for taking the beattitudes too far?
     Looking at what "meak" means in the traditional Christian sense is likely enough to make you reevaluate that entire statement.
     >What argument do you have against global negro communism, aside from it not having a cross?
     Everything about that is antithetical to Christ. The Bible talks about nations (ethnos) surviving to the end of ages. Kings and rulers from all over are also mentioned in the same book (Revelation). The list goes on.
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     @Shauni @givenup @SuperLutheran > If Christianity didn't enable these beliefs, it was at least vulnerable to being abused as a cloak of legitimacy.
     Two posts up I mentioned game theory. I seldom see critics of Christianity mention the advantages of cooperation in context of shared faith. Obviously that didn't prevent all wars or infighting, but even someone like Dawkins has acknowledged the benefits of Christian civilization over alternatives.
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     @BowsacNoodle @givenup @SuperLutheran > meek in the traditional sense
     Explain it to me, because I'm not seeing any based definitions in the dictionary.
     I remember someone saying it meant " patient and not easily provoked, but not cowardly". Again, that is an external interpretation that is not explicitly spelled out. People, presumably good, believing Christians, looked at the modern definition of "meek" and said, "Yep, that checks out."
     
     >The Bible talks about nations (ethnos) surviving to the end of ages.
     That doesn't mean that white people are going to survive, though. The original Greeks and Romans are long-gone. There's nothing that says "white people shall not let themselves be racemixed out of existence". We could very well live in a brown mystery meat world of negroes, indians and mestizo south americans, and there would still be "nations". Hell, Americans are already a mystery meat mishmash of Irish, Germans and Anglos. If anything, White people have shot themselves in the foot by identifying as "Chrsitian" because the radicals of yesterday beleived that slavery and racism are anti-Christian. If Christianity didn't enable these beliefs, it was at least vulnerable to being abused as a cloak of legitimacy.
     
     Now, I don't think white people will be wiped out tomorrow, they still exist as minorities in South Africa and Latin America. The problem is justifying the conquering of "fellow Christians" (which laypeople will probably just ignore and make up some hoopla that lets them be worldly but also take the moral highground).
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     @BowsacNoodle @givenup @SuperLutheran 1. I would be interested, but I don't think I'll be swayed.
     2. The way I see it, Christianity is in a catch-22. A more "pure" Chrisitanity, IMO would be too moralistic, theoretical and pacifistic, like Amish or Menonites, to bail the Eurosphere out of its current nonsense. A more "worldly" Christianity (like fag-beatin', gun-totin', bible-thumpin' protestants and heckin' based Crusader Catholics) would be too great of a corruption, too unstable and incoherent to gain traction. Like I said, Christianity, left to its own devices, tends more towards pacifism, cleanliness and poverty than blood, filth, and riches.
     
     (And to top it off, the whites of today are so overcivilized and longhoused that a naturalistic Nietzchean or Racialist ideology would also never gain traction.)
     It doesn't matter what the on-paper, abstract benefits are if the actual practice is weakning you (I believe Nietzche said this).
     
     3. Christianity isn't the only religion in the world, obviously. Islam is more "vital" in having a pseudo-ethnic component to it. Buddhism is almost as old and has its own various sects/schools and established traditions, and the Japanese and Chinese don't seem as vulnerable to wokeness. In practice it's not so simple to convert (blood memory methinks).
     
     4. You can't turn the clock back. Just as a famous Greek said, Monarchies degenerate into tyrannies, then to be replaced by Aristocracies, Oligarchies > Democracies > Mob rule > back to monarchy. Governance and cultures come in cycles, and the supposed benefits of one religion don't matter if its adherents don't have the means to impose it. It's why Christians are so buck-broken by rich Wokists despite being the majority of the religious populaiton.
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     @Shauni @givenup @SuperLutheran Points 2-4 can literally be addressed with "the jews infiltrating the government and the Holocaust narrative to make people comply", because prior to WW2 we didn't have these issues to such a substantial level. Doctor E. Michael Jones touches on some of this tangentially in The Slaughter of Cities. I'm largely preaching to the choir by bringing up da juice, but Christianity wasn't toothless until very recently. I don't think it will remain as such for very long. Maybe not in my lifetime, but my kids or grandkids will probably see it.

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     @Shauni @givenup @SuperLutheran Game theory, again. I think there's something to the cooperative nature of Europeans (colder climates and such) where bad actor vulnerability exists that is separate from Christianity. The Lucifer Principal is an interesting book that touches on exploitation as a survival strategy.
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     @BowsacNoodle @givenup @SuperLutheran How can a strong man be robbed if he is not already fast asleep?
     How would the Jews be able to guilt your people like this if you were not already vulnerable to guilt?