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   :umu: :umu: (a1ba@suya.place)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Oct-2024 05:25:52 JST :umu: :umu:
   saw few windows machines today, one of them had dead virtual disks service, another had broken Start menu
   
   how this piece of crap actually takes so much market share
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     narcolepsy and alcoholism :flag: (hj@shigusegubu.club)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Oct-2024 05:26:05 JST narcolepsy and alcoholism :flag:

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     @a1ba >how this piece of crap actually takes so much market share
     
     blackmail and agressive marketing, basically
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     narcolepsy and alcoholism :flag: (hj@shigusegubu.club)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Oct-2024 05:30:52 JST narcolepsy and alcoholism :flag:

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     @a1ba >which aren't windows or msoffice
     
     that's the point. Windows 95 was a big deal, MS Office was an even bigger deal for a VERY VERY VERY LONG time
     
     they are still reaping what they have sown back then.
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     :umu: :umu: (a1ba@suya.place)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Oct-2024 05:30:53 JST :umu: :umu:

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     @hj >agressive marketing
     
     which is weird because microsoft is really bad at marketing, remember how many things they made (which aren't windows or msoffice) and how they all miserably fail, even if they were at least competitive at the time
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     Jessica's new Main (jessica@kitsunes.club)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Oct-2024 05:33:51 JST Jessica's new Main

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     @a1ba@suya.place microsoft shot you down for your hubris for checks notes "touching the screen with a wacom pen while waiting for bloatware to install"

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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Oct-2024 05:34:24 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @a1ba Year of the Windows Desktop :DDD:
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     @lanodan @a1ba what, you mean 1995?
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Oct-2024 05:36:12 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @hj @a1ba ~1995 to 2024
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     narcolepsy and alcoholism :flag: (hj@shigusegubu.club)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Oct-2024 05:52:49 JST narcolepsy and alcoholism :flag:

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     @shuro @a1ba let's not forget the "office is only on windows", the "don't you dare sell computers with other OS", the "oops we don't support lotus 1-2-3", the "we threw IBM and OS/2 under the bus" and so forth and so on
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     shuro (shuro@friends.deko.cloud)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Oct-2024 05:52:51 JST shuro

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     @hj @a1ba I'd say network effect (everyone knows it), hardware support (good luck installing non-windows on random laptop and getting everything working) and backwards compatibility (less of thing nowadays but still matters).

     Many companies would love to switch to something from Windows because it costs an arm and a leg.

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     Linux Walt (@lnxw37j1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864} (lnxw37j1@gnusocial.jp)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Oct-2024 05:57:57 JST Linux Walt (@lnxw37j1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}

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     @hj Yeah, if USDOJ hadn't dropped the case on the floor around 1999-2001, they had the chance to break MSFT up and destroy their ill-gotten monopoly.
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Oct-2024 06:05:28 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @a1ba @shuro @hj Sadly iOS/Android are both horribly locked down. It's like if you'd only have butter knifes and non-pointy forks. Or if cars had the hood sealed shut.
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     :umu: :umu: (a1ba@suya.place)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Oct-2024 06:05:30 JST :umu: :umu:

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     @shuro @hj >everyone knows it
     
     that's the interesting part for the next generation which does only know how to use a mobile OS, not a desktop.
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Oct-2024 06:06:27 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @hj @shuro @a1ba Well there was Office on MacOS but it was an absolute disaster.
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     shuro (shuro@friends.deko.cloud)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Oct-2024 06:07:23 JST shuro

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     @hj @a1ba Yes, also everything is Electron or webapp :)

     I am pretty sure this is what contributes a lot to alternative OSes and the trend will continue. But I wouldn't expect Windows leaving corporate sector too soon.

     > I don't get the sacred cow status of XP

     Some people are just stupid :D But also XP was ruling desktops for a very very long time and there's a lot of weird old software left since that era. Not everything runs on modern Windows and sometimes you just need this specific piece of dino poop. So XP is still in use sometimes even though it is a complete nightmare to run nowadays. My previous workplace had some of it.

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     shuro (shuro@friends.deko.cloud)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Oct-2024 06:07:34 JST shuro

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     @hj @lanodan @a1ba > Sadly iOS/Android are both horribly locked down.

     This is likely the future of the mainstream computing. If desktops were invented today they would be like that.

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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Oct-2024 06:18:34 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @a1ba @shuro @hj Filesystem-less UI, no scripting (don't even think about any dev tools), no admin rights without basically pwning the device, typically can't run different systems at all even just different versions, pain in the ass to do actual backups, …
     
     I get that with enough copium random users can tolerate it somewhat but I just don't see it getting traction in a school/corporate/enthusiast setting, mere terminals like BBS got obsolete for a good reason.
     And probably why they started going back to somewhat desktop-like systems with introducing ChromeOS laptops and Surface tablets. Plus why even cheap macbooks are still strongly there while I feel like I'm seeing iPads less and less in the wild (I wonder if Apple reports amount of sold devices).
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     :umu: :umu: (a1ba@suya.place)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Oct-2024 06:18:35 JST :umu: :umu:

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     @lanodan @shuro @hj that's why they don't even understand the concept of a filesystem.
     
     Because you have no filesystem on iOS! And on many Android phones too, there isn't even file manager preinstalled.
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     shuro (shuro@friends.deko.cloud)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Oct-2024 06:22:28 JST shuro

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     @hj @lanodan @a1ba I think most causal users don't know what filesystem is :)

     They operate in terms of "folders" - documents folder, pictures folder, maybe network folder. Many have no idea which folders are filesystem directories and which are virtual (e.g. inside some app and not real folders at all).

     They even don't know where their apps are - they just hit "Start" (or whatever) and either see it right away or start typing first letters hoping it pops up.

     I think we'll end up having two distinct categories of users soon.

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     shuro (shuro@friends.deko.cloud)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Oct-2024 06:33:49 JST shuro

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     @hj @lanodan @a1ba Well, it kinda pops up itself when inserted and if not then you detach it and insert again :)

     Yeah, understanding folder structure is already the first step but still the most have little idea how it all is composed as a whole - and I am not talking about technical details but more like what is full path in practical sense or what resides where (e.g. which ones are on the network, which are cloud, etc). It is more like categorization for them (documents go there, pictures go here, maybe I'll put some in new folder called 2024) rather than understanding structure.

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     :umu: :umu: (a1ba@suya.place)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Oct-2024 06:33:51 JST :umu: :umu:

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     @shuro @lanodan @hj no, they do understand. Making folders and putting files there is already understanding it.
     
     Otherwise... how you would put something onto a USB drive?
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Oct-2024 06:34:13 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @a1ba @shuro @hj Yeah because effectively the Web is basically like a sort of bastard version of Display Postscript but multiple different remote servers (and getting the JVM again via wasm, why does it feels like I'm describing a Solaris-clone…).
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     :umu: :umu: (a1ba@suya.place)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Oct-2024 06:34:14 JST :umu: :umu:

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     @lanodan @shuro @hj btw ChromeOS is good example of how some users can just use whatever is on the Web.
     
     Again to the argument about how Windows is used because of special software that don't have ports for other systems.
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     narcolepsy and alcoholism :flag: (hj@shigusegubu.club)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Oct-2024 06:55:42 JST narcolepsy and alcoholism :flag:

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     @a1ba @shuro @lanodan formerly known as moon formerly known as moonman formerly chuck's
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     :umu: :umu: (a1ba@suya.place)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Oct-2024 06:55:43 JST :umu: :umu:

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     @lanodan @shuro @hj everything new was already invented by Sun
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     shuro (shuro@friends.deko.cloud)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Oct-2024 14:31:30 JST shuro

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     @hj @a1ba @mrsaturday > If you could run it on an old 8086, you could run it on a machine with Windows XP.

     I think that would be Windows 98 SE and WinXP already broke some compatibility with really old stuff. But yeah, it offered some good balance of that regard as it can run on relatively modern hardware (although even in 2019 it was already a challenge installing it on random new PC - and I worked for a place where we had maybe 300 WinXP production machines we couldn't migrate because of legacy stuff used).

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     Encyclopædia Autistica (Order Now!) (mrsaturday@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Oct-2024 14:31:31 JST Encyclopædia Autistica (Order Now!)

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     @shuro @hj @a1ba XP was the last Windows operating system that ran on top of a DOS framework IIRC, which is why you had backwards compatibility all the way back to the early 1980s. If you could run it on an old 8086, you could run it on a machine with Windows XP. It did exactly what it needed to and when you needed to do it. Since then, operating systems have been varying degrees of bloat, compatibility problems, and now installing Windows is functionally giving your computer spyware at the OS level.
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     :umu: :umu: (a1ba@suya.place)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Oct-2024 14:52:02 JST :umu: :umu:

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     @shuro @lanodan @hj lol just saw this popped up:
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     Encyclopædia Autistica (Order Now!) (mrsaturday@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Oct-2024 14:52:23 JST Encyclopædia Autistica (Order Now!)

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     @a1ba @shuro @lanodan @hj Chromebooks have been the laptop loaned to students in the US for the last 10 years or so. You have an entire generation growing up with ChromeOS as we speak, and they'll end up viewing Windows much like millennials and older view Linux. Unfortunately, it's the future in the US, and barring some sort of cultural rift developing in the next 20 years or so, it's going to be making its way to the rest of the world, too.
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     @amerika @shuro @IceCubeSoup @mrsaturday @a1ba XP is the first consumer-oriented windows that has NT core
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     IceCubeSoup (icecubesoup@noauthority.social)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Oct-2024 21:05:25 JST IceCubeSoup

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     @mrsaturday
     >> XP was the last Windows operating system that ran on top of a DOS framework

     no, XP did not run on top of DOS.

     The 32 bit version of Windows XP would run 16 bit software, but the x64 version did not.

     @amerika @shuro @hj @a1ba

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     ≠ (amerika@annihilation.social)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Oct-2024 21:05:25 JST ≠

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     @IceCubeSoup @mrsaturday @shuro @hj @a1ba
     
     Was it before or after XP that we switched to the Windows NT kernel?
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     win2k was a nice medium