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   Fediverse Symbol ⁂ (fediversesymbol@typo.social)'s status on Friday, 23-Aug-2024 00:40:49 JST Fediverse Symbol ⁂

   A manifesto for ⁂ as a symbol for the fediverse
   https://symbol.fediverse.info/

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     Tobias Hellgren (thanius@mastodon.chuggybumba.com)'s status on Friday, 23-Aug-2024 00:40:48 JST Tobias Hellgren

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     @FediverseSymbol +1 for ⁂

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Saturday, 24-Aug-2024 22:37:34 JST Evan Prodromou

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     @FediverseSymbol this is stupid:

     "We also don’t believe that a large corporation that is joining in as late should be the one defining the iconography for the fediverse."

     Who the fuck are *you*, though? If your argument is ad hominem, show your names and your bona fides. Why should anyone care what you believe?

     And if you're proposing a symbol after Threads, isn't that even later?

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Saturday, 24-Aug-2024 22:47:25 JST Evan Prodromou

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     @FediverseSymbol you also say this: "@ is the symbol for e-mail. # is the symbol for hashtags. ☮ is the symbol for peace. ♻ is the symbol for recycling. ⁂ can be the symbol for the fediverse."

     These are not the symbols you should compare to. The most recent symbol that makes sense to compare to is the AI twinkles ✨.

     https://qz.com/how-became-the-unofficial-ai-emoji-1851059332

     The asterism seems really close to it.

     Nobody puts an @ on a web page to show what to click to send email. They put an envelope ✉️.

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Saturday, 24-Aug-2024 22:48:52 JST Evan Prodromou

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     • shadowwwind

     @shadowwwind @FediverseSymbol put it on the page itself. "We" needs to be backed up with names.

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     shadowwwind (shadowwwind@fosstodon.org)'s status on Saturday, 24-Aug-2024 22:48:53 JST shadowwwind

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     • Evan Prodromou

     @evan @FediverseSymbol they have a credits page, that also links to the original discussion in 2022 https://codeberg.org/fediverse-symbol/fediverse-symbol/src/branch/pages/README.md#credits

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Saturday, 24-Aug-2024 22:51:58 JST Evan Prodromou

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     @FediverseSymbol another symbol to compare to is the share icon:

     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Share_icon?wprov=sfla1

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Saturday, 24-Aug-2024 23:01:34 JST Evan Prodromou

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     @FediverseSymbol or the feed symbol.

     https://blog.embed.ly/how-mozilla-changed-the-face-of-rss-ac6c821837e3

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Saturday, 24-Aug-2024 23:04:53 JST Evan Prodromou

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     @FediverseSymbol a couple more:

     Attachments: 📎
     Links: 🔗

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Saturday, 24-Aug-2024 23:15:36 JST Evan Prodromou

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     @FediverseSymbol I think it would be a good idea to show some recommended uses of the icon. How would you show that I can Fediverse-like an image on a Web page? How to show that I can join a group? Follow an author? In a list of links to my various profiles, which ones are Fediverse enabled?

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Saturday, 24-Aug-2024 23:20:17 JST Evan Prodromou

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     @FediverseSymbol finally, I understand the motivation of wanting to show the topology of the Fediverse - a network with nodes and edges.

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Saturday, 24-Aug-2024 23:24:19 JST Evan Prodromou

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     @FediverseSymbol but what if instead of trying to make a teeny weeny abstract diagram of the Fediverse, the focus were more personal -- about making a connection between two people, no matter where they are and what social networking service they use?

     "Follow me on any network."

     "Follow me wherever you get your socials."

     https://www.anildash.com/2024/02/06/wherever-you-get-podcasts/

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Saturday, 24-Aug-2024 23:24:43 JST Evan Prodromou

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     @FediverseSymbol what symbol would you use for that? Would it still be the asterism?

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Saturday, 24-Aug-2024 23:33:24 JST Evan Prodromou

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     @FediverseSymbol I think the strongest point of this symbol is that it looks like a special asterisk, and we're used to seeing those at the ends of words to show that there's something more about them.

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Saturday, 24-Aug-2024 23:42:05 JST Evan Prodromou

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     @FediverseSymbol so that

     Evan Prodromou ⁂

     ... means something.

     But what?

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Saturday, 24-Aug-2024 23:42:51 JST Evan Prodromou

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     • Tom Coates

     @FediverseSymbol I think my colleague @tomcoates probably will have some good suggestions.

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Sunday, 25-Aug-2024 00:46:13 JST Evan Prodromou

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     @FediverseSymbol Nobody puts an @ on a web page to show what to click to send email. They put an envelope ✉️.

     The other thing they do is put an email address, like "username@domain.example". People recognize that format as a way to reach someone by email.

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Sunday, 25-Aug-2024 00:49:06 JST Evan Prodromou

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     • wakest ⁂
     • Chris Messina
     • nicolas ⁂
     • Raphaël Bastide

     @nclm @FediverseSymbol @liaizon @raphael you're welcome. I hope it's helpful.

     @chrismessina may also have some ideas.

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     nicolas ⁂ (nclm@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 25-Aug-2024 00:49:07 JST nicolas ⁂

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     • wakest ⁂
     • Evan Prodromou
     • Raphaël Bastide

     @evan @FediverseSymbol Hello thanks for the feedback!

     First of all, we is @liaizon and @raphael and me :) We put a link to a credit section of our readme, but maybe it’s too discreet indeed.

     So we actually started this in 2022 but we haven’t been very studious with it 😅 Earlier this week we finally decided to publish our draft just so at least the idea is out there.

     (reply about Threads in next post)

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     Tom Walker (tomw@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 25-Aug-2024 06:03:07 JST Tom Walker

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     • jon ⚝

     @yala So we're supposed to rename something that already has a name because of some unspecified objection?

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     jon ⚝ (yala@degrowth.social)'s status on Sunday, 25-Aug-2024 06:03:08 JST jon ⚝

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     @FediverseSymbol Nice symbol. Do you also have a proposal to replace the term Fediverse? I know many people, me included, who don't want to or cannot use it as a term in political debates, myself included.

     Social Web was once one proposal, Open Socials is another. Maybe you've heard of other alternative naming that is more accessible in its name does not put the effort into a niche?

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     Tom Walker (tomw@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 25-Aug-2024 06:05:42 JST Tom Walker

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     • jon ⚝

     @yala I don't like the name "pineapple", shall we rename those too?

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     jon ⚝ (yala@degrowth.social)'s status on Sunday, 25-Aug-2024 06:05:53 JST jon ⚝

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     • Tom Walker

     @tomw I don't feel a generic rejection needs any justification. As a first, I just don't like the term.

     My reasons for that can be debatable, but not the sentiment.

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     Elliot K (prz@hachyderm.io)'s status on Sunday, 25-Aug-2024 06:07:20 JST Elliot K

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     @FediverseSymbol I feel like the colors in the default logo are important. For me it represent different instances with different purposes. Mastodon isn't just a cluster of servers talking to each other, it's the people using it - which is represented by colors nicely right now.

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     BeAware :fediverse: (beaware@social.beaware.live)'s status on Sunday, 25-Aug-2024 06:08:31 JST BeAware :fediverse:

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     • Elliot K

     @FediverseSymbol @prz and what would you do about it being so disconnected? Fedi is VERY interconnected and the current logo shows *both* diversity and interconnectivity just fine...

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     Fediverse Symbol ⁂ (fediversesymbol@typo.social)'s status on Sunday, 25-Aug-2024 06:08:32 JST Fediverse Symbol ⁂

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     • Elliot K

     @prz In our idea the color adapts to the text color around it, or can be turned into any relevant color fitting the use. However, when making graphics out of it, it’s definitely possible to bring back more colors for esthetics and extra meaning. See this proposal for instance: https://bcn.fedi.cat/objects/4c635366-293d-4a86-9c1c-215c6f2c732f

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Sunday, 25-Aug-2024 20:01:18 JST Evan Prodromou

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     • Marcus Rohrmoser 🌻

     @mro @FediverseSymbol no. It's too complex to work as an icon like the share icon or feed icon.

     It's also a mini-map of the Fediverse, not a symbol of connecting socially to a person.

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     Marcus Rohrmoser 🌻 (mro@digitalcourage.social)'s status on Sunday, 25-Aug-2024 20:01:19 JST Marcus Rohrmoser 🌻

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     • Evan Prodromou

     Hi @evan, @FediverseSymbol,
     https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/43/Feed-icon.svg still nails it, doesn't it?

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Monday, 26-Aug-2024 02:24:09 JST Evan Prodromou

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     • 𝓒𝓱𝓻𝓲𝓼

     @chris are they? How do you know?

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     𝓒𝓱𝓻𝓲𝓼 (chris@im.allmendenetz.de)'s status on Monday, 26-Aug-2024 02:24:24 JST 𝓒𝓱𝓻𝓲𝓼

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     • Evan Prodromou
     @Evan Prodromou
     Who are you, though?
     
     They are obvious true fedi enthusiasts how care and work for what they believe in.
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     Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Monday, 26-Aug-2024 02:30:13 JST Evan Prodromou

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     • Marcus Rohrmoser 🌻

     @mro @FediverseSymbol the feed icon represents only one part of social interactions.

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     Marcus Rohrmoser 🌻 (mro@digitalcourage.social)'s status on Monday, 26-Aug-2024 02:30:14 JST Marcus Rohrmoser 🌻

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     • Evan Prodromou

     Dear @evan, @FediverseSymbol,
     what other follows are there? However it doesn't have to stop there. A mutual follow is 2 one-way follows. Feedback is what comes after or on-top follow. At first there is the notification which I never have seen other than being one-way.

     However feed subscriptions were anonymous and therefore e.g. not easily blockable.

     Btw. https://www.w3.org/TR/websub/ allowed for expiring subscriptions. That would solve the mastodon account deletion avalanche issue. Imagine 3-monthly (automatically) renewing follows. We should do the math what that means for the amount of maintenance messages. The burden of maintaining a subscription would be on the subscriber side rather than the publisher which IMO would be a good thing.

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Monday, 26-Aug-2024 07:16:03 JST Evan Prodromou

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     • 𝓒𝓱𝓻𝓲𝓼

     @chris so, if someone comes up with a good idea, we should listen to them? I agree.

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     𝓒𝓱𝓻𝓲𝓼 (chris@im.allmendenetz.de)'s status on Monday, 26-Aug-2024 07:16:16 JST 𝓒𝓱𝓻𝓲𝓼

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     • Evan Prodromou
     @Evan Prodromou we should be thankful for the well thought initiative...
     
     if you care and have a visual sense too than it is kind of obvious that that what we call the Fediverse is badly in need of an good working iconography.
     
     The nice pentagram does NOT work in every situation and at any scale ... and in black and withe it does also not do a good job...
     
     so we need ideas and thoughts like ⁂
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     BeAware :fediverse: (beaware@social.beaware.live)'s status on Tuesday, 27-Aug-2024 00:16:55 JST BeAware :fediverse:

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     • Elliot K
     • Mester⁂

     @mester @prz @FediverseSymbol :fediverse: looks fine to me...🤨

     At this point it seems like we're wanting to change somefor the sake of changing, rather than changing it for something better...it's very weird.

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     Mester⁂ (mester@meetiko.org)'s status on Tuesday, 27-Aug-2024 00:17:02 JST Mester⁂

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     • Elliot K

     @BeAware@social.beaware.live @FediverseSymbol@typo.social @prz@hachyderm.io Yes but when you do the icon smaller or use black and white colors the logo :fediverse: doesn't work well, but with this new proposition ⁂ that doesn't happen you can use of this way when you use it small but when it's bigger you can use various colors: https://bcn.fedi.cat/notice/AbanPjCk9jA2xHv9EG

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     Mester⁂ (mester@meetiko.org)'s status on Tuesday, 27-Aug-2024 01:04:31 JST Mester⁂

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     • BeAware :fediverse:

     @BeAware@social.beaware.live @prz@hachyderm.io @FediverseSymbol@typo.social The thing that I say it's that the new logo can used in an image and there's a svg version of it because of that one can change the colors you only need to see the link that I put in the previous comment, when it's small or you don't need colors you can use perfectly but when you put in black-white color scale it doesn't see well and the problem when you want to use a small icon, this :fediverse: doesn't serve that is a reality and if you read the manifesto of @FediverseSymbol@typo.social you can see that is logical the things that they say

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     BeAware :fediverse: (beaware@social.beaware.live)'s status on Tuesday, 27-Aug-2024 01:14:15 JST BeAware :fediverse:

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     • Elliot K
     • Mester⁂

     @mester @prz @FediverseSymbol

     The Fedi logo shouldn't be black and white, therefore nobody should ever use it that way. Colors show diversity. As for an SVG, it's here https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Fediverse_logo_proposal.svg

     we're going in circles.

     I'm just gonna mute it and be on with my business as nobody seems to want to discuss it in good faith.

     Very unconvincing argument and seems like they just want to change it because they can say they changed something. That's not a good reason.

     Have a good day.