jade
Mastodon #psa: there's a post going around about #mozilla #firefox and the salary of the Mozilla Corporation CEO. This post is based on a blog post written by an openly transphobic fascist, Brian Lunduke, who has a beef with Mozilla for them treating trans employees like human beings.
It doesn't matter how true the material is; we must not take decisions based on information collated with such motives.
This is a moderation issue and it should be taken down but it's already been seen a lot.
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jade
I really really don't want to link to receipts because they are vile and he doesn't deserve your energy. He has a second much more vile website on a different subdomain where you can find plenty of mask off fascism.
David Zaslavsky
@leftpaddotpy No, it does matter how true the material is. It would be wrong to always ignore true and relevant information just because it happened to be revealed by a bad source.
I'm not saying the source doesn't matter; it *is* useful to know who publicized the info and what agenda they presumably had in doing so. But the information, as long as it's true, does stand on its own as well. (If it's not true, then that's a different story of course.)
jade
@diazona The part you are missing here is the timeliness of the information and the set of information. We absolutely must not allow these to be controlled by fascists.
It's the same reason fascists making coordinated reports of posts must be ignored even if legitimate: they are setting the narrative and they are still *giving power to fascists*.
Why is this information being presented *right now* rather than another time? What does it *aim to achieve*?
jade
@diazona This information being publicized right now is on an agenda to destroy Mozilla for treating their trans employees like human beings. It's selective publicizing of truthful information to achieve an objective.
Consider for example: your choice of evil corporation (Microsoft or whatever) goes and publishes attack ads showing a bunch of crash bugs in Linux, saying "switch to our stuff because it's more reliable". The bugs are real, but you wouldn't have cared without the publicity.
clacke
@feld @leftpaddotpy I could buy ten homes a year in the world's most expensive city for that money. It is a ton of money.
Are there CEOs that earn more? For sure. Do they also receive raises while firing people and losing market share? That happens too. Does that justify it? No.
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Mans R
@feld @leftpaddotpy It's 100 times what a normal person makes. How is that not a lot?
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Mamus
@leftpaddotpy how do you end up talking about trans and facism when questioning the CEOs calary?
No matter who brought it up. I did a post at the same time questioning it because mozilla send an email to everyone asking for donations.
I have no clue who that person is but it's nuts to move the center of discussion. I think that's called whataboutitsm, right?
jade
@mamus the reason we're having a discussion about the thing at all is because a fascist brought it up because he's mad for really really bad reasons. should fascists being mad be given that narrative power?
analogy: you have a bunch of oil companies clubbing baby seals. one of them is clubbing 10 times as many seals as the next but a fascist writes an article about the one clubbing half as many as average because they have a rainbow logo, drumming up a bunch of outrage at that one.
Mamus
@patrizia @leftpaddotpy thx. I still don't understand how that affects the discussion. There's a mother company that's more than capable to bring up the funds. Why should anyone donate to firefox? Why don't they give more working students a chance to have a look at firefox' code by paying them to do so?
Cecilie 🧙♀️
@mamus The distinction matters because:
The Mozilla Foundation does not fund Firefox development.
The for-profit Mozilla Corporation, which *does not* receive any of the donation money, payrolls Firefox development.
So this has spread like wildfire without people realizing:
- Not a single dollar of the CEO's pay comes from donations.
- The donations were never going towards Firefox anyway.
Patrizia
@mamus @leftpaddotpy she's saying that it's the Mozilla Foundation that's asking for donations, not the for-profit Mozilla Corporation (owned by the Foundation), and commenting that the structure is somewhat confusing.
Mamus
@leftpaddotpy I don't understand how that is a response to my question?
jade
@mamus no, that is Mozilla Foundation. Mozilla is a maze.
Mamus
@leftpaddotpy regarding the agenda: which company is worse in this case? Mozilla is the only company of that size that asks for donations I am aware of
Cecilie 🧙♀️
@mamus And yes, multimillion dollar pay to any individual is nonsense, but Mozilla being singled out over it when... *gestures at any other for-profit company* ...is utter nonsense.
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