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Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 27-Oct-2023 10:09:32 JST 
Sexy Moon
i'm not getting drafted for gamer war 2: fediblock boogaloo - eris, :blobancap: :blobcattrans: :blobancap: :blobcattrans: :blobancap: :blobcattrans: and MondoBizarrro like this.
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Chinese man ? #nobot (iamal_pharius@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 27-Oct-2023 10:11:25 JST 
Chinese man ? #nobot
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Retardeeyore (parzival@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 27-Oct-2023 17:09:14 JST 
Retardeeyore
@Moon as long as u get to taste casu marsu, I guess its fine, eh, onii-chan?! Sexy Moon likes this. -
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Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 27-Oct-2023 17:09:20 JST
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@Parzival some day -
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Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 27-Oct-2023 23:40:44 JST
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@coolboymew things are heating up -
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cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 27-Oct-2023 23:40:45 JST 
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@Moon is this based on a current happening? -
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Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 27-Oct-2023 23:53:19 JST
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@RustyCrab @coolboymew over on the fediblock side there's developing factions around the bad space, crazy hyperbole like "if you don't support it you are as bad as a nazi" I have seen multiple violent threats and major players refusigng to do anything about the threats. they're talking about getting into getting registrars to shut down names, contact isps. one side is calling people white racists the other side is calling people idpol-leveraging transphobes. I just see things starting to get hot beause the aggressors are never going to give up. -
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Rusty Crab (rustycrab@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Friday, 27-Oct-2023 23:53:20 JST 
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@Moon @coolboymew based vagueposter -
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ロミンちゃん (romin@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 27-Oct-2023 23:53:48 JST 
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@Moon @RustyCrab @coolboymew revolver solves this -
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Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 27-Oct-2023 23:54:24 JST
Sexy Moon
@romin @RustyCrab @coolboymew yeah this is all the direct result of what I Would now call a major design flaw, servers. ロミンちゃん likes this. -
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ロミンちゃん (romin@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 27-Oct-2023 23:56:25 JST
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@Moon @RustyCrab @coolboymew and dns and isps... -
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sim@shitposter.club's status on Friday, 27-Oct-2023 23:57:22 JST 
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@Moon Shikata ga nai. Sexy Moon likes this. -
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kroner (kroner@seal.cafe)'s status on Saturday, 28-Oct-2023 00:03:00 JST 
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Why don't we just make a new network protocol that has to be signed with "nigger" on every request to filter out the tyranical fags -
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Rusty Crab (rustycrab@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Saturday, 28-Oct-2023 00:03:01 JST
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@Moon @coolboymew @romin even nostr can't solve that because relays that don't block wrong thinkers will have the exact same issue. The problem is being a gigantic tyrannical faggot is just normal now. Beyond [insert fedpost here] the only long term solution is Total Clearnet Death. With AI moderation coming that may be unavoidable. -
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smug@smuganimeavatar.xyz's status on Saturday, 28-Oct-2023 00:06:35 JST 
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lowercase i internet
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Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 28-Oct-2023 00:15:52 JST
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@iska @RustyCrab @coolboymew @romin I think they're looking at it. -
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Iska (iska@catposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 28-Oct-2023 00:15:55 JST
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@RustyCrab@clubcyberia.co @Moon@shitposter.club @coolboymew@shitposter.club @romin@shitposter.club DHTs solve this
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Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 28-Oct-2023 00:22:12 JST
Sexy Moon
@PurpCat @RustyCrab @coolboymew @romin I don't care if they block us my issue is that if they operate without vocal opposition they are just going to become, formally, the "usable fediverse service" and eventually they are going to get the power to influence ISPs to cut you off, registrars to remove your DNS name. They've already talked about this. -
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Pawlicker (purpcat@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Saturday, 28-Oct-2023 00:22:13 JST 
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@RustyCrab @Moon @coolboymew @romin this is why I don't bother trying to federate with these people too.
It's better that they don't know you exist than trying to get in the good graces of internet pitbulls. This is also the #1 reason kf keeps having issues, imo Josh doesn't understand exactly what he got himself into at this point. -
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Pawlicker (purpcat@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Saturday, 28-Oct-2023 00:22:13 JST
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@RustyCrab @Moon @coolboymew @romin To add to this, I have no knowledge of whatever stupid shit is going over with the fediblockers, and I do not need to know.
They're probably blocking this instance anyway, I know at least one blocklist has this instance, and quite frankly I could not care less. Why? Because a friend of mine was trying to get in the good graces of furry instances which if you know anything about furries, you know they love blocklists and hugboxes like crack rocks.
Let me tell you, if a blocklister thinks you can be convinced, just like how groomers will swarm over any "egg" they can "hatch", they will harass the fuck out of you in DMs to fall in line, for example stop running Soapbox because Alex Gleason is a big meanie (this did happen btw).
Shit like that is the kind of shit these people will demand from you, you will literally never win unless you are up to date on the latest causes, and the problem is even these people aren't up to date with their own causes (picrel, I'm sure you'll notice this trend). -
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Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 28-Oct-2023 00:27:05 JST
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@PurpCat @RustyCrab @coolboymew @romin I was in discussion with some people to buy a TLD but it is very risky because they have a very expensive non-refundable registration fee, and a public input period where they would be convinced that the TLD is for "abuse". I think the solution is to get out from under domain names first then work on better ways to distrubte AP objects. People are doing work on this already, I think it's a better way forward.
Mastodon won't support any of this, the effect would be two ActivityPub networks, the Mastodon network and the Fediverse. -
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Pawlicker (purpcat@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Saturday, 28-Oct-2023 00:27:06 JST
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@Moon @RustyCrab @coolboymew @romin They already have this power, I hope you have 300k in your crypto wallet you're willing to use instead of just being the online version of "shit or get off the pot" like Josh is.
Did you know picrel won a $$$ lawsuit in Australia because the defendant didn't show up and was stupid enough to think oh it'll get thrown out you guys. Hence, shit or get off the pot. -
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Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 28-Oct-2023 00:28:34 JST
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@PurpCat @RustyCrab @coolboymew @romin I have money but not enough money to buy and operate a TLD by myself and I believe they would just keep the money and reject us. -
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Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 28-Oct-2023 00:32:33 JST
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@PurpCat @RustyCrab @coolboymew @romin I am beginning to think that the nostr relay model with (slightly-modified) AP objects instead of shitty nostr objects, plus a DHT for storing long-lived public posts in a distributed way.
Number one thing in my opinion is, from the beginning, maintaining a compliance suite so that there's no excuses for fucked up slightly incompatible implementations. -
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NEETzsche (neetzsche@iddqd.social)'s status on Saturday, 28-Oct-2023 00:32:44 JST 
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I got into alternative DNS servers like OpenNIC which had tons of meme TLDs (such as .chan) that you can’t get from ICANN’s DNS structure.
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Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 28-Oct-2023 00:33:17 JST
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@NEETzsche @PurpCat @RustyCrab @coolboymew @romin still centralized and vulnerable to "this is for abuse, goodbye" -
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NEETzsche (neetzsche@iddqd.social)'s status on Saturday, 28-Oct-2023 00:35:57 JST
NEETzsche
Excellent point. FediDNS when.
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cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 28-Oct-2023 00:36:38 JST
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@Moon @PurpCat @RustyCrab @romin
>Mastodon won't support any of this, the effect would be two ActivityPub networks, the Mastodon network and the Fediverse.
I keep saying this, but a fragmented web is the best solution. Get people to browse again, get people to get on p2p network again, get people to... etc
The consequences of "everyone ever: the websites" has been monumental, where retards gets with other retards and gets to be monumentally authoritarians about their bullshit, because it benefits the corps and probably massive astroturfing campaigns of all sorts
There's a significant difference between an echochamber and just not being stuck with people you generally dislike. Corpo moderated hell websites are shit. I'm fucking tired of the retards getting into the anime fandom and arguing about Yaoyorozu's hero outfit for example. These people wouldn't be around in the old web days or would've been told to fuck off a long time ago by a mod or an admin. I talk to everyone who federates with us currently and there's basically never this kinda garbo arguments going on here -
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Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 28-Oct-2023 00:36:41 JST
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@djsumdog @PurpCat @RustyCrab @coolboymew @romin people get mad at me for saying this but ENS on Ethereum is a perfectly viable system for naming. It's not 100% uncensorable but it's highly uncensorable and any censorship attempt would destroy public support for the project. It involves a degree of cost to register and renew names but the cost isn't bad. the biggest issue is resolvers for names would be centralized because it would rely on public services to access the blockchain to resolve the names. I don't think it's a giant threat and it could be avoided by a few fedi pople running full nodes but it still represents a chokepoint.
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djsumdog (djsumdog@djsumdog.com)'s status on Saturday, 28-Oct-2023 00:36:42 JST 
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So far Verisign has stayed out of the censorship game (I think they still manage .com/.net/.org?) ... it's the weird third party ones and country codes that have gotten into issues (#gasthelgbt #neverforget) .. Kiwifarms still hasn't lost their .net domain.
I know back in the ZeroNet days there was talk of .bit domains via NameCoin, but I never found any reliable documentation on getting that to work.
I haven't been on nostril 👃 in a while. Do relays just block people by individual public keys? Are there lists? -
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Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Saturday, 28-Oct-2023 00:39:06 JST 
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@Moon @coolboymew @RustyCrab haha purity spiral go brrrrr Sexy Moon likes this. -
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Hoss Delgado (hoss@shitpost.cloud)'s status on Saturday, 28-Oct-2023 00:39:42 JST 
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The Internet only gained this problem after the smartphone opened the gates to the biggest mongoloids on the planet. Sexy Moon likes this. -
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Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 28-Oct-2023 00:43:36 JST
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@PurpCat @RustyCrab @coolboymew @romin the differene between the past and now is that in the past I think there was more of a shared values about protecting the infrastructure from political wrangling. there were exceptions, a lot of this fediblock stuff is similar to how mail servers were blocked for spam, except fediblock is a lot worse because it's for beliefs not "stop sending me dick pills advertisements" that literally everyone agreed nobody wants. -
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Rusty Crab (rustycrab@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Saturday, 28-Oct-2023 00:43:37 JST
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@coolboymew @PurpCat @Moon @romin even if you ignore the fact that the mastodon crowd is just made of genuinely awful people, the human race was never meant to throw everyone into one giant pot and force them to play nice. -
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Pawlicker (purpcat@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Saturday, 28-Oct-2023 00:43:37 JST
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@RustyCrab @coolboymew @Moon @romin I don't think people understand either.
The fedi's original idea came about in the early 2010s when people weren't doxing each other over drawing a character in a wrong manner according to a fandom, or similar shit like that. The internet felt more unified and the dream of an advanced tech utopia straight out of a 80s/90s cyberpunk book was alive. -
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Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 28-Oct-2023 00:45:28 JST
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@RustyCrab @white_male @coolboymew @romin I am working through how relays work in nostr, I am convinced that they don't solve the censorship issue because even if you can pick your relays, every mechanism they add for (absolutely needed) user discovery is a mechanism to create blocklists and ultimatums and you're right back where we started. -
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white_male (white_male@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 28-Oct-2023 00:45:29 JST 
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@RustyCrab @Moon @coolboymew @romin Isn't the wrong think bubble large at this point? I mean large enough to have enough gravity to pull in people regardless? -
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Rusty Crab (rustycrab@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Saturday, 28-Oct-2023 00:45:29 JST
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@white_male @Moon @coolboymew @romin it literally takes one guy at the top to flip a switch to censor the entire thing. That's the problem we're talking about. -
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Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 28-Oct-2023 00:46:32 JST
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@sapphire @PurpCat @RustyCrab @coolboymew @romin my group in fact discussed this, we don't want to create another centralized DNS system where censorship can occur, and there are complications regarding this and TLS certificates. -
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sapphire (sapphire@shortstacksran.ch)'s status on Saturday, 28-Oct-2023 00:46:33 JST 
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@Moon @PurpCat @RustyCrab @coolboymew @romin you don't need to operate a tld by yourself you guys are overthinking this WAY too much.
If you want to serve *.nigger but only to your based friends, just run DNS for it and have all your based friends point to it as the authoritative nameserver for that domain. The only reason you need permission from the Jews up top for a TLD is because you use their nameservers and certificate authorities. You can run an instance of opnsense on a VPS and have all of that available with minor configuration on the user side and a little less than minor config on the host side. -
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™️¥ (tomey@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 28-Oct-2023 00:47:07 JST 
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@Moon @PurpCat @RustyCrab @coolboymew @romin i looked into that before and the fees are outrageously prohibitive. over $100k just to file the paperwork and get promptly rejected. Sexy Moon likes this. -
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Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 28-Oct-2023 00:47:33 JST
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@tomey @PurpCat @RustyCrab @coolboymew @romin exactly, I could put money down on a brand new porsche with that kind of money -
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Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 28-Oct-2023 00:49:29 JST
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@sapphire @PurpCat @RustyCrab @coolboymew @romin one thing we discussed was a normal clearnet certificate for client frontend, but using self-signed certs with TOFU on the server to server communication. -
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sapphire (sapphire@shortstacksran.ch)'s status on Saturday, 28-Oct-2023 00:49:30 JST
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@Moon @PurpCat @RustyCrab @coolboymew @romin the only complication is trusting the root cert for your domain, and if you trust the issuer all you have to do is install it on your devices. I did this locally for a while but it wasn't worth upkeeping since browsers make you renew the certs yearly and I was too lazy to set up ACME for it -
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Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 28-Oct-2023 00:57:28 JST
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@sapphire @PurpCat @RustyCrab @coolboymew @romin the big problem is if you want mobile support I don't think self signed even work anymore. unless you do an app and have a way to import a self signed cert, but people want browser and browser and mobile makes everything complicated. -
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sapphire (sapphire@shortstacksran.ch)'s status on Saturday, 28-Oct-2023 00:57:29 JST
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@Moon @PurpCat @RustyCrab @coolboymew @romin again, this is only an option if you decide to tie yourself to a "real" TLD
I could have .nigger working for myself with functional TLS with a self-signed CA in about 30 minutes and 25 of that would be figuring out where the menus are in opnsense compared to pfsense. Yes it still has the problem of a centralized CA but that's kinda how trust works unless you want to develop some retarded blockchain for it -
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Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 28-Oct-2023 01:00:01 JST
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@sapphire @PurpCat @RustyCrab @coolboymew @romin I read somewhere they're cracking down on that but I don't know the details, you can do this somehow to mitm and reverse engineer apps and they don't like that. -
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sapphire (sapphire@shortstacksran.ch)'s status on Saturday, 28-Oct-2023 01:00:02 JST
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@Moon @PurpCat @RustyCrab @coolboymew @romin you can import self signed CAs on mobile. There's an extra step to get it to work on iOS for security purposes but Android will just let you install it -
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Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 28-Oct-2023 01:03:18 JST
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@teknomunk @RustyCrab @coolboymew @romin interested in a dht system to hold posts. -
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teknomunk (teknomunk@apogee.polaris-1.work)'s status on Saturday, 28-Oct-2023 01:03:20 JST 
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@Moon @RustyCrab @coolboymew @romin
If the servers are no longer a leverage point, they will go after ISPs and hosting services, just moving the problem around.
You can't fix a political problem only using technical countermeasures. You have to use political pressure as well. Or violence, but that's most people's last resort.DrRyanSkelton repeated this. -
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cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 28-Oct-2023 01:03:21 JST
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@RustyCrab @white_male @Moon @romin Kiwifarm right now is is the ultimate test of all of this shit vs garbo political pressure
The trans that campaigned against it IIRC literally paid journos for hit pieces and probably had an army of twitter bot to make herself seems important, because at some point, IIRC, when Elon Musk took over the popularity was just kinda suddenly gone
So ultimately you had some people in some key important Internet infra positions that put their fist down based on utter fucking bullshit -
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white_male (white_male@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 28-Oct-2023 01:03:22 JST
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@RustyCrab @Moon @coolboymew @romin Oh, you're talking ULTIMATE DOOM scenarios. Well yeah, they can turn the air off too. -
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Rusty Crab (rustycrab@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Saturday, 28-Oct-2023 01:03:22 JST
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@white_male @Moon @coolboymew @romin do you know what's happening with kiwifarms right now? We're talking about all this because they are in this exact situation. -
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Rusty Crab (rustycrab@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Saturday, 28-Oct-2023 01:03:23 JST
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@white_male @Moon @coolboymew @romin you should familiarize yourself with how hosting works, who controls DNS resolution and how ISPs can censor anyone they want st the drop of a hat. The entire internet (the physical wires that connect it) is centralized and controlled by a handful of people. The only reason tor exists is because it obfuscates traffic and makes it so you can't censor one connection without killing the whole internet.
We on fedi are currently at the mercy of some random guy controlling a few vps companies who doesn't feel like doing anything about us. -
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white_male (white_male@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 28-Oct-2023 01:03:24 JST
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@RustyCrab @Moon @coolboymew @romin What? I'm new to this, is there a nerve center to this? I always thought you can just federate willy nilly with anybody and start up a two dork network and maybe grow. -
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Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 28-Oct-2023 01:05:38 JST
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@coolboymew @RustyCrab @romin @white_male its instructive in how they were shut down but don't want to have a kiwifarms specific discussion -
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cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 28-Oct-2023 01:05:39 JST
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@RustyCrab @white_male @Moon @romin but there wouldn't be any problems if the snitches weren't there. I doubt anyone from Blackrock would know Kiwifarm otherwise. So it's all intended to make scare tactics that escalates up quickly -
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Rusty Crab (rustycrab@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Saturday, 28-Oct-2023 01:05:41 JST
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@coolboymew @white_male @Moon @romin yes, but like I say, they're just stooges. The screws are coming down from the government level and places like Blackrock. There is no such thing as grassroots power, even if the grassroots organizers have "big money". The most they can do is serve as snitches. -
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Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 28-Oct-2023 01:31:44 JST
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@coldacid @PurpCat @RustyCrab @coolboymew @romin lots of issues with this but working through them -
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coldacid on 🔥 (coldacid@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 28-Oct-2023 01:31:45 JST 
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@Moon @PurpCat @RustyCrab @coolboymew @romin don't need to get rid of domain names, just the current registration based regime for managing them. (bring back namecoin) -
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Hoss Delgado (hoss@shitpost.cloud)'s status on Saturday, 28-Oct-2023 02:38:20 JST
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People forget shitlibs used to smugly say "just make your own social media" until people started to have the slightest crumb of success actually doing that, then the knives came out. Sexy Moon likes this. -
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ランファン (leyonhjelm@breastmilk.club)'s status on Saturday, 28-Oct-2023 02:47:45 JST 
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silverpill (silverpill@mitra.social)'s status on Saturday, 28-Oct-2023 02:58:05 JST 
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@teknomunk @coolboymew @RustyCrab @romin @Moon Yes, I'm very much interested.
My preferred solution to instance-level blocks is activity proxies that let you pretend like you're on a different domain. I'd like to build one, probably by re-using some code from Mitra.
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teknomunk (teknomunk@apogee.polaris-1.work)'s status on Saturday, 28-Oct-2023 02:58:06 JST
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@Moon @RustyCrab @coolboymew @romin
If you get a spec written up, please let me know. There are some other people, particularly @silverpill, that I think would be interested. -
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silverpill (silverpill@mitra.social)'s status on Saturday, 28-Oct-2023 03:10:41 JST
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@coolboymew @teknomunk @RustyCrab @romin @Moon Proxies can be used to solve all kinds of problems. You can use proxy to connect Tor instances and clearnet instances. Or you can use proxy to bridge software that uses different flavors of ActivityPub, like MastodonPub and a client-oriented ActivityPub described in FEP-ae97
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silverpill (silverpill@mitra.social)'s status on Saturday, 28-Oct-2023 03:20:56 JST
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@parker @coolboymew @teknomunk @RustyCrab @romin @Moon
Here it is https://gitea.moe/lamp/activitypub-proxy
There is also another project with a different goal: https://flak.tedunangst.com/post/idkfa
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Parker Banks (parker@pl.psion.co)'s status on Saturday, 28-Oct-2023 03:20:57 JST 
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@silverpill @teknomunk @RustyCrab @Moon @coolboymew @romin
Do you have the link to that activitypub proxy repo I've seen floating around before? -
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ロミンちゃん (romin@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 28-Oct-2023 03:33:32 JST
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@realcaseyrollins @RustyCrab @Moon @coolboymew fake news -
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realcaseyrollins ✝️ (realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world)'s status on Saturday, 28-Oct-2023 03:33:33 JST 
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@romin @Moon @RustyCrab @coolboymew Isn’t #Revolver 500 days behind schedule?
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Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 28-Oct-2023 05:31:55 JST
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@ten @RustyCrab @coolboymew @romin @teknomunk kademlia is probably the most appropriate one. -
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mothra (ten@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 28-Oct-2023 05:31:56 JST 
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@Moon @teknomunk @RustyCrab @coolboymew @romin how about kad? wrote my own impl but its not Game ready -
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Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 28-Oct-2023 05:34:18 JST
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@ten @RustyCrab @coolboymew @romin @teknomunk whats it written in -
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mothra (ten@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 28-Oct-2023 05:37:16 JST
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@Moon @RustyCrab @coolboymew @romin @teknomunk c++ and i havent had it checked by anyone , can store signed data i think Sexy Moon likes this. -
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Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 28-Oct-2023 05:37:26 JST
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@ten @RustyCrab @coolboymew @romin @teknomunk need and Elixir one for reasons. -
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arcanicanis (arcanicanis@were.social)'s status on Saturday, 28-Oct-2023 05:58:50 JST 
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Federated platforms are far easier to build, develop for, divvy up moderation responsibilities, and finance rather than “truly decentralized” platforms which I believe pulls in far more risk (how much fun is it running a Tor exit node?), harder to fund (where would Tor/etc be without large universities and charities propping it up?), more content moderation issues (gl;hf dealing with CSAM if you build a ‘completely uncensorable, decentralized’ platform), and so on. At least utility cryptos (e.g Namecoin as mentioned) help solve the finance/commerce issue for some ‘truly decentralized’ ideas.
I don’t think servers are so much the problem. The problem is we have such an adversarial internet backbone and core internet infrastructure now that’s actively trying to prevent routing around censorship intentionally.
Despite my aforementioned concerns with the sustainability of the Tor network, I believe it’s a fairer option (or perhaps I2P, or whatever other overlay networks come about) to be hosting services on Tor/etc instead of clearnet.
Speaking in context of onion services exclusively (and not about interop with clearnet):
- Domain seizures on clearnet? So what, nobody can ‘seize’ your onion address on Tor, unless they legitimately have your private key.
- ISP shuts you down? So what, move the server elsewhere, come back online, nothing with addressing or any configuration changes at all.
- Stuck behind CGNAT and can’t self-host? So what, connect to the Tor network, and you can start hosting services on Tor/etc regardless of what your network topology is. Now everyone can self-host and spread out more.
- Afraid of rogue CAs, Cloudflare, and other TLS MitM? So what, the Tor network provides encrypted tunneling that only terminates at the holder of the private key for the respective onion address, far simpler than involving a Certificate Authority or delegated trust system.
I’m sure a response could probably be “well we tried, but nobody really bothers using an onion counterpart fedi server”, and honestly that’s because: a lot of fedi server software legitimately sucks for high-latency networks, especially for things that are heavily client-side rendered. All we need is some simple fedi server implementations that lean more on server-side rendering, and then the experience is far less miserable than waiting a literal minute or so for a Misskey profile to load (for example)
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Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 28-Oct-2023 05:58:59 JST
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@arcanicanis @RustyCrab @coolboymew @romin I am very familiar with the difficulties of true p2p -
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Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 28-Oct-2023 06:08:37 JST
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@arcanicanis oh I didn't take it negatively! I appreciated your reply. -
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arcanicanis (arcanicanis@were.social)'s status on Saturday, 28-Oct-2023 06:08:41 JST
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I hadn't meant to imply that you didn't. I was just preaching my case, and then explaining the finer details for others (as a sort of orating nature, so it's not lost on others) -
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御園はくい (hakui@tuusin.misono-ya.info)'s status on Saturday, 28-Oct-2023 19:06:07 JST 
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@realcaseyrollins @romin @Moon @RustyCrab @coolboymew two more weeks ロミンちゃん likes this.
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