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   Doughnut Lollipop 【記録係】:blobfoxgooglymlem: (tk@bbs.kawa-kun.com)'s status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 22:00:42 JST Doughnut Lollipop 【記録係】:blobfoxgooglymlem:

   From this post by Not Just Bikes:

   I’ve been on Bluesky for less than 48 hours and my feed is already way more useful than on Mastodon, despite following only a couple of people.

   I really don’t understand Mastodon’s aversion to discovery algorithms. Algorithms aren’t inherently evil, and I would argue that they’re necessary for social media to function.

   The odds of me staying here are pretty slim when it’s almost impossible for people to find my stuff, and for me to discover new people, without doing a bunch of manual work.

   I have to do a quote share because I can’t grab the original post here.

   #Fediverse #Mastodon

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     Doughnut Lollipop 【記録係】:blobfoxgooglymlem: (tk@bbs.kawa-kun.com)'s status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 22:01:52 JST Doughnut Lollipop 【記録係】:blobfoxgooglymlem:

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     If you don't like aspects of a platform that the frequent users of said platform do like, you can always move to a different one. You aren't obligated to stay here.
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     taylor (nik@misskey.bubbletea.dev)'s status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 22:05:00 JST taylor

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     @tk@bbs.kawa-kun.com > [social media] algorithms aren't inherently evil
     no, they are

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     Doughnut Lollipop 【記録係】:blobfoxgooglymlem: (tk@bbs.kawa-kun.com)'s status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 22:05:35 JST Doughnut Lollipop 【記録係】:blobfoxgooglymlem:

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     • taylor
     @nik The guy came from the world where that is normalized. It's like falling in love with your captor.
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     Twitter_expat (twitter_expat@mastodon.world)'s status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 22:09:00 JST Twitter_expat

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     @tk

     If tis guy is the same one on Youtube he is inherently an "Influencer". He depends on people watching his videos on YouTube and of course loves the algo that promotes them. Good for him. Now coming to the #fediverse and talk trash of the people in the #fediverse is a big LOL. This guy advocates for better and more livable cities and now trashes the user who love the fediverse? LOL what an ASSHOLE. He has destroyed the reputation he had.

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     『VRISKA』 (vriska@lizards.live)'s status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 22:12:55 JST 『VRISKA』

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     @tk smh, nobody wants to work anymore, if you want people to see your stuff simply organically build a following on your own merit instead of gaming an algorithm

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     Doughnut Lollipop 【記録係】:blobfoxgooglymlem: (tk@bbs.kawa-kun.com)'s status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 22:14:01 JST Doughnut Lollipop 【記録係】:blobfoxgooglymlem:

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     • 『VRISKA』
     @vriska It's pretty similar to folks using generative AI to create art or text instead of doing the work manual.
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     maegul (maegul@hachyderm.io)'s status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 22:14:56 JST maegul

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     • Twitter_expat

     @Twitter_expat @tk yea, whinging about which platform gets upvotes is usually a tell tail sign of their relationship to algorithms.

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     taylor (nik@misskey.bubbletea.dev)'s status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 22:15:18 JST taylor

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     • maegul

     @maegul@hachyderm.io @tk@bbs.kawa-kun.com these tools should be human-driven and built into strong platform UX, not black box suggestion algorithms with [insert bias]

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     maegul (maegul@hachyderm.io)'s status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 22:15:19 JST maegul

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     • taylor

     @nik @tk

     “Algorithms” … sure.

     Tools that empower people to find each other, build communities, get the information that’s important to them and make some sense of the firehose of a simple reverse-chron feed … sounds humane frankly.

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     Doughnut Lollipop 【記録係】:blobfoxgooglymlem: (tk@bbs.kawa-kun.com)'s status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 22:18:18 JST Doughnut Lollipop 【記録係】:blobfoxgooglymlem:

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     • SuperDicq
     @SuperDicq My instance here is likely also fediblocked by him.
     
     Maybe he'd have more "reach" if he didn't use fediblock. :blobfoxgoogly:
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 22:18:20 JST SuperDicq

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     @tk@bbs.kawa-kun.com He's full of shit, as he even fediblocked my instance.
     
     Literally the only interaction I had with him was welcoming him to the fediverse.
     
     "waaaaaaa I'm hosting my instance and I have to do manual work?????"
     
     Pathetic.

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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 22:19:44 JST SuperDicq

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     @tk@bbs.kawa-kun.com He probably imported some existing blocklist, which is evidence that he clearly does not understand how the fediverse works.

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     Twitter_expat (twitter_expat@mastodon.world)'s status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 22:20:20 JST Twitter_expat

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     • maegul

     @maegul @tk

     These influencers have molded their whole been on ego rewards and when its not there they suffer.

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     maegul (maegul@hachyderm.io)'s status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 22:20:43 JST maegul

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     • taylor

     @nik @tk absolutely!!

     “Feed Views” might be a good word for this, in contrast to “algorithm”.

     Even a suggestion algorithm that’s simple and completely transparent could be fine.

     I’m on lemmy a lot these days (it’s much like Reddit). And it’s been great to sort by “hot” or “old” or “new”, in part because I know what it’s doing.

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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 22:21:09 JST Sexy Moon

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     • SuperDicq
     @tk @SuperDicq the users are just really different on bluesky imo and it feels very different there.
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     Doughnut Lollipop 【記録係】:blobfoxgooglymlem: (tk@bbs.kawa-kun.com)'s status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 22:21:09 JST Doughnut Lollipop 【記録係】:blobfoxgooglymlem:

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     • SuperDicq
     @Moon @SuperDicq In what way, though?
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     FinchHaven (finchhaven@hachyderm.io)'s status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 22:22:10 JST FinchHaven

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     @tk

     Interesting to note that this "Influencer" is on a Mastodon instance with:

     TOTAL USERS: 1
     MONTHLY ACTIVE USERS: 1
     TOTAL POSTS: 752

     Muted, Blocked, Server Blocked

     That was easy

     https://fedidb.org/network/instance/social.notjustbikes.com

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     Caek Islove ? ❤️ (caekislove@gleasonator.com)'s status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 22:28:37 JST Caek Islove ? ❤️

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     @tk Stockholm Syndrome.
     
     Like someone going to the cinema early to watch the commercials.
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 22:33:49 JST Sexy Moon

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     • SuperDicq
     @SuperDicq @tk people that are "important" on twitter
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 22:33:51 JST SuperDicq

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     • Sexy Moon

     @Moon@shitposter.club @tk@bbs.kawa-kun.com Who uses Bluesky anyway? I assume it's those typical Firstname Lastnames, isn't it?

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     bronze (bronze@pl.kitsunemimi.club)'s status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 22:39:12 JST bronze

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     • SuperDicq
     @tk @SuperDicq
     >block 300+ instances
     >"why am I not getting any engagement?"
     >leaves fedi
     Many such cases! :blobfoxcrylaugh:
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     Twitter_expat (twitter_expat@mastodon.world)'s status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 23:03:02 JST Twitter_expat

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     @tk

     More to my point. I just have this much of engagement the past couple of hours just by commenting on 2 toots. This is way more that I want and a bit overwhelming for my standards. I personally don’t wish to be hooked on social media in a comment/ answer cycle. But that’s just me. It shows this platform is very alive.

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     Nel (nelenese@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 23:17:39 JST Nel

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     @tk he's making the crucial mistake of thinking that "mastodon" is exactly the same as twitter, where people congregate on (e-)celebs's replies for attention- rather than it being organically found by each other reposting on things that are actually worth getting too.
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     pettanko (pettanko@marsey.moe)'s status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 23:32:41 JST pettanko

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     Not surprised that a content creator that owes his livelihood to the Youtube algorithm is mad about a social media site lacking algorithms.
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     Stampeding Longhorn :budgie: (stampedinglonghorn@social.linux.pizza)'s status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 23:59:35 JST Stampeding Longhorn :budgie:

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     @tk I have actually found the opposite to be true with Mastodon. Yes, it takes work, but I have way more followers on Mastodon than I did with Twitter. But I don't really care about that aspect.

     What I really love about this ActivityPub microblogging platform? More wholesome interactions.

     Influencers are just a different breed I guess.

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     Doughnut Lollipop 【記録係】:blobfoxgooglymlem: (tk@bbs.kawa-kun.com)'s status on Tuesday, 27-Jun-2023 00:00:33 JST Doughnut Lollipop 【記録係】:blobfoxgooglymlem:

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     @StampedingLonghorn Influencers are just narcissists.
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     Karen Simpson (vesperto@gladtech.social)'s status on Tuesday, 27-Jun-2023 00:25:22 JST Karen Simpson

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     @tk
     "...they’re necessary for social media to function."
     ...and yet the fediverse fuctions without them. Mindblowing.

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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Tuesday, 04-Jul-2023 00:26:35 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • Twitter_expat
     @Twitter_expat @tk Never meet your ~idols :D
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Tuesday, 04-Jul-2023 00:52:25 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • Twitter_expat
     @Twitter_expat @tk And a pattern I've seen quite often on youtube is how so many either stop after 3~4 years of fame, fall into irrelevance or are kicked out.
     (And it's pretty visible when you use an RSS/Atom reader)
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Tuesday, 04-Jul-2023 00:52:28 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • Twitter_expat
     @Twitter_expat @tk Well microblogging fedi is great for people that want to interact/talk at basically all the same levels, quite like discussions around a table.
     Parasocial stuff is going on a podium, lemmy/kbin might be close enough on this. Algorithms/presentation being quite different (almost purely chronological views vs. sorting influenced by aggregated-votes).
     
     twitter/youtube/… is the equivalent of a venue where the rules(algorithms) to get on the podium aren't entirely laid out and typically can be gamed via either money or pre-existing status.