@datarama@zzt agreed! bees are amazing. i watch them all the time, they are absolutely conscious and aware of what they're doing. they even communicate to each other with abstractions! and they sleep when it gets too cold to get home! they are incredible creatures.
just because humans live in a bizarre state of abstraction and meta-cognition doesn't mean that other types of cognition and sentience aren't equally real and valid.
@inthehands imo the language that did this best, and is always missing from these histories, is Logo... an amazing way to learn computation and computational thinking.
@inthehands Norbert Wiener wrote in 1948, in the book that defined Cybernetics:
"Let us remember that the automatic machine is the precise economic equivalent of slave labor. Any labor which competes with slave labor must accept the economic consequences of slave labor.”
@hipsterelectron one of the most toxic open source traits is desiring to be more like a big tech product, and to measure success with big tech metrics.
@sean_ae oh for sure. And they are trying to sell that idea. There are also lots of well meaning leftists trying to see the good in this tech, but failing to see how it is fundamentally against them … the same thing happened in the crypto-bubble …
@servo 👎👎 this will only make the project less trustworthy, less robust, and less open. It will also make Servo far less sustainable in both technical/documentation and environmental impact. You will lose a lot of contributors and supporters, replacing them with dubious contributions.
@clarity@jplebreton oh absolutely. i just mean that the ideologies that these tech/SV cults are using/indoctrinating are largely coming from the tescreal set of beliefs...
@cwebber sorry if this wasn’t clear. I wan’t referring to you or your posts but only to the discussion on lobsters specifically, since they were bringing up other references to “originators” // @sacha