@LukeAlmighty@Dudebro@KuteboiCoder I suspect you're probably a social cretin or have major aspergers if you genuinely think moving all human interaction online was a good thing. You can celebrate the death of "the old world" for your lifetime, but the new world has brought about such a social upheaval that nobody is having kids. In 100 years either some form of equilibrium will be developed, or else a regression back to the old world.
@Dudebro@Griffith@LukeAlmighty@KuteboiCoder I'll also mention- although it will probably net me massive negative social credit- that a lot of "society" was founded on useful myths that kept us together. I had a relatively happy upbringing in my super-orthodox mormon family because we were an insular community which had shared values. When the Internet picked up popularity, it became obvious that the entire religion was founded on lies and deception, and that shattered all sense of community. I posit that the same thing happened to Christianity writ large and it wouldn't be nearly so destructive without the help of instant information propagation via the Internet.
@LukeAlmighty@Dudebro@KuteboiCoder I guess my point doesn't work when interacting with 100% true-and-honest autists. My life was significantly better before everyone got smartphones. I had Internet at home, but I specifically avoided getting a phone until... 2017? I didn't want the life of the online to destroy the life of meatspace, but eventually everyone else hooked up to it and there was nothing to be found online. If that went away, eventually everyone would have to crawl out of their room and be human again. I miss that.
@KuteboiCoder@LukeAlmighty "Phone bad" is a gross caricaturizing of my point, but I'll roll with it. If the Internet were to disappear forever tomorrow, would social life and community become better or worse?
@LukeAlmighty The tenable solution is to become someone people want to hang out with. That's why I'm learning like 3 languages, practicing dancing and hiking and a whole host of hobbies. The more interesting your life is, the more people want to be a part of it.
In the past, you may have had to choose between someone you agree 50% with and someone you agree 80% with, and so you'd be friends with the 80%. It's your "best available friend."
Now with the Internet, you can choose to befriend the 80% agreeable irl guy, or you can befriend the 99% agreeable guy online. The 20% of disagreements irl feel completely intolerable, because you're not forced to cooperate for survival. This also contributes to strenuous familial relationships.
A friend is someone who'd rather spend his time with you than anything else. In the past, there really wasn't any other outlet to spend your time. Now, it's a valuable commodity targeted with precision and monetized by companies. By putting a price tag on time, you have millions of dollars spent trying to take it from you, and you can't get that time back.
Who do you think would win, some relatively pleasant person who wants quality time, or the latest million dollar attention grabber? That's why there are no friends beyond coworkers now.
@mischievoustomato@koropokkur@Griffith@BowsacNoodle@sickburnbro Not even sure this is true. Talk to normals on a personal level and they'll open up about how they're scared of the future, before dumping the worst take you've ever heard in your life. Truth is, they're just clueless about what's occurring around them.
Like imagine if you never made the connection between niggers and crime. Think about how different your perception is. Cities are dangerous, but you can't pinpoint why. You feel uneasy, but it's beyond your comprehension and trying to think about it brings cognitive dissonance.
@grey@vic@BowsacNoodle@TatsuyaIshida >Christianity is not a set of tools for social organization. But it necessarily must also include that within itself, even if that's not the primary reason for existence. I'm not saying this from a cringe pagan LARP or anything- I wish I could still believe- but the idea that "perfecting" the fallen world is futile and that things only get better before they get worse foments the exact kind of anti-christ behavior we see from evangelicals. I wrote a better explanation of my thoughts here: poa.st/@veff/posts/AlaNO5nB5yqDSIipBA
I don't like religion-posting but it's almost 3AM so nobody will read it anyway so here's an excerpt from my diary circa April of this year:
I've been thinking about "natural law," not in the cringe enlightenment sense but rather defined as "the rules for continuation in nature" in a darwin-esque fashion and how it relates to religion. If a religion brings it's members to extinction (via death or deconversion), of what use was the religion? In 100 years nobody will practice it, and few will even know of it's existence. This is the course that I see Christianity on, if it isn't there already. Sure, you could say "but the cathedrals will stand tall as a testament" and while that may be true, they'll either be converted to mosques, converted to museums/tourist attractions like old aztec or shinto temples, or else used for "Christianity" that only resembles itself in aesthetic and not in practice or philosophy. All three of these have basically already happened and will continue to happen every passing day unless we realize that Christianity has parted ways with "natural law" and no longer lends itself towards it's own continuation.
I wish there was a better term for what I'm describing. It's somewhere between "natural law" and "mandate of heaven" but neither term is perfect.
@grey@vic@BowsacNoodle@TatsuyaIshida The reality is that many modern whites who identify as christians do not hold serious convictions towards a deity and are simply talking the talk to get the (dwindling) benefits that it still provides.
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veff :trash:I'm beginning to wonder if attractiveness is shaped like a rock/paper/scissors battle triangle where you can always attract what you aren't attracted to and can't attract what you want. Yesterday I had a good friendly conversation with a (female) student of mine as we walked out into the parking lot. It was only just now that I realized she was hitting on me in a roundabout way. It just makes me sick because it could never work.
Here's a small anecdotal window into why everyone my age is "lazy": Rent is ~$1600 split between three roommates. If one of us flakes or leaves, the other two sink- and yes, it's the cheapest place in town which isn't dangerous. I've looked everywhere else. I work two jobs because no employer can afford to give workers benefits for working full time. I've had to hop jobs regularly this past year because they repeatedly cut hours or else asked me to come in on short notice which conflicted with my other job and school time. Everyone wants on-call employees but can't or won't pay for it. Also keep in mind all these jobs were found via contacts and networking; I wouldn't even *have* income if I were to try applying online as I would have been filtered by HR bots. I'm currently in debt for school (STEM) which is the biggest expense I have, but it's my only real shot out of the crab bucket so I persist. I've fought hard to keep a 4.0 GPA which I use to fuel my form of gambling- scholarships- which I write on company time. I ride share or walk everywhere because I couldn't afford a car, and now I finally have one I can't afford to repair it, so I'm scraping what little earnings I take home to afford that, which means forgoing beef and niceties like most hobbies. Any unexpected costs like a medical emergency would immediately force me to drop out and move back in with family and many don't have that kind of safety net. "Success/Failure to launch" is now completely up to luck. For those that see it realize it's not worth the effort, choose to never even try and just NEET off the government and their parents.