Notices by infinite love ⴳ (trwnh@mastodon.social), page 2

@dansup they can exist in atproto, it's just that the network effects of the bluesky network won't be there. the way atproto works, you have to know to look for the right repos and records. imagine if pixelfed wasn't compatible with mastodon despite both using activitypub. this could be reality if pixelfed didn't use the mastodon protocol for Note objects and instead it used Image objects.

linkedin moment

@dansup 69 is cancer ♋

@finner @darkling @jwz

or, hear me out: you sign up for one account, like email. you can then use whatever apps you want with that same account.

mastodon, pixelfed, etc don't all need to be separate accounts on separate servers. just like we don't need a separate Web for chrome vs firefox -- they let you browse the same Web.

@finner @darkling @jwz it's how the spec was designed lol

there is a Client api to POST activities to an outbox, and your Server delivers those activities to other inboxes

it's not a change in protocol as much as it is a change in philosophy. everyone chose to build monoliths instead

@dansup not what the question was. in your analogy it'd be like if instagram used something other than HTTP when they could have used HTTP

@dansup @jwz those could still be handled with Pixelfed being an AP Client -- say pixelfed.example asks to oauth into activitypub.example, and whatever you would POST to an inbox you would instead POST to your outbox

@jwz ActivityPub C2S is missing a few bits. Rather than fill in the gaps, most fedi devs have decided to rewrite the same delivery-server logic over and over and over and over and over and o

@helge 75% of fedi servers that have ever existed are dead? huh.

@cwebber @puppygirlhornypost2 @erincandescent no nastiness intended! just a lot of confusion about the intentions and (RDF entirely aside) the data model itself, especially as defined in the vocabulary! i'll untag you going forward if this conversation proceeds, dw

@puppygirlhornypost2 @erincandescent @cwebber actually speaking of as:subject and the entire as:Relationship model

why reinvent rdf triples? reifying a Relationship is basically exactly the same as reifying a Statement. https://www.w3.org/wiki/RdfReification

as:subject == rdf:subject
as:relationship == rdf:predicate
as:object in this case is used equivalently to rdf:object despite not being semantically equivalent????

@cwebber translation:
- switch "recent elections" with "the recent US election specifically"
- switch "cultural tipping point" with "financial threat"
- switch "prioritizing free speech" with "enabling genocides and fascism"

sure there some weasel words there but otherwise this is a pretty naked way to declare that they're not even gonna *pretend* to care about injustice anymore.

@dansup my feedback is that you should disengage and take a breather. i understand you're stressed, but fanning the flames is only going to make it worse. bigleaguing is also not going to make you well-liked by others. you have nothing to gain from continuing this meta-conversation, and the general posture of what is being said is only becoming more and more ridiculous by the hour. i did a double-take when you implied a kamala harris parody account may be russian-affiliated and trump-supporting.

@dansup @melroy so are we just gonna disregard architects, designers, community managers, documentation writers, power users, etc? or...

@dansup dan, with all due respect: what the fuck

@silverpill @jenniferplusplus @julian i don't understand why anyone would need to go directly from a single post to a collection of activities having to do with the thread. isn't it enough to pass through the thread itself first? e.g. take the Note.context.outbox for an "activity log", or if you're going to define a new property, then define it on the thread instead of on the post -- Note.context.history for example following https://w3id.org/fep/bad1

@silverpill @jenniferplusplus @julian

```yaml
id: x
context: thread-activities
actor: a
type: Create
object:
id: y
context: thread-posts
content: "foo"
```

thread-posts can contain your contentful objects, and thread-activities can contain everything even tangentially related to that conversation

@silverpill @jenniferplusplus @julian have you considered that maybe "posts" can have their own `context`, and "activities" can also have their own `context`?

@dansup why do we need a 3rd form of identity? and if we're going that far, then why TXT and not SRV? and what does the value look like, and how does this play along with other services, etc etc etc

@richbruchal @cwebber @spritely it can happen anywhere. even in the simplest namespace, can you tell anything about the true identity of richbruchal vs realrichbruchal vs therealrichbruchal? you can link identities but without one of them having some reputation, it's not gonna help you out much