Notices by Zenie (zenie@piaille.fr)

@restorante @demiguru @weavejester

Vi isn't composable either. Sed and Ed and awk are composable.

That argument is out of context when talking about things with user interfaces.

I would say that emacs is ultimately more composable than vi, vim, or neovim. Emacs can integrate easily with other systems and tools.

That's the thing that it does amazingly well. Just because it's a super power doesn't mean that it's not within the philosophy.

The extensibility of #Emacs through integration with other tools is off the charts. That to me is completely within the Unix philosophy. I've been a Unix dev for 45 years. I think I know.

@codinghorror

I love that you don't like it.

Stop tracking people. Problem solved.

Tracking is not necessary. It is immoral.
It is tracking that ruins the internet, not cookie notices.

@sacha

I recently contributed a bunch of code to #Emacs #EMMS. As a result I was invited to join the development team which I'm excited to be a part of.

My code was merged last week for version 23 of EMMS. There was a small breaking change.

There is now an entire system for searching and filtering tracks. It's backwards compatible with the old browser filters, but very different and very powerful. It is interactive and all filters can be represented as data.

It's super cool and very enjoyable to use.

I wrote a post to give an overview to it on my shiny new website here.

https://zeniesqis.statichost.eu/code/2025-07-14-the-emms-filter-system/

@oantolin @amszmidt

Totally agree, emacs is first and foremost a lisp environment. Scratch is a default buffer!!
It happens to have some great functionalities for editing. That's the purpose it evolved from.

@amszmidt @bshankar @ramin_hal9001 @amoroso @screwtape @sacha

Just to be clear. I was a Unix systems developer
From around 1980.

I was there.

We always made fun of emacs because you could often hear the disks swapping.

@amszmidt @bshankar @ramin_hal9001 @amoroso @screwtape @sacha
Emacs was always an editor. But not just an editor.
Vi is just an editor and not nearly as bloated as vim.

Vi is lightweight, based on ed. By comparison emacs was huge. But emacs was a lisp programming environment with an editor that happened to be written in itself.

Computers were much smaller then. A swap drive was actually necessary and changing from one application to another often caused swapping.

Vi was fast and small. But it is still just an editor.
It's a misleading comparison, much like VScode vs emacs now. Emacs is svelte these days.

@bshankar @ramin_hal9001 @amoroso @screwtape @sacha

I think #Emacs follows the Unix philosophy
Just fine. It's a system of composable parts,
We keep adding more parts that we can use for our compositions, just like Unix. And many of the things we add are actually from the Unix environment.
We just plug in and use them. There's nothing more Unixy than that.

It's a programming language and an environment and runtime for that language. It just happens to have nice parts to make an editor from.

Really, it's just turtles all the way down.

Emacs was bloated in 1980 when we mistakenly compared it to vi, a tiny editor, thinking that emacs was an editor.

@masukomi you can load more ispell dictionaries. It's actually ispell not emacs.