Notices by Raphael Lullis (raphael@mastodon.communick.com), page 3

@Moon @Jain of course, but like I said in the beginning, I believe that one of the best ways to speed up the process of "improving server support" would be to ditch the clients and their application-specific APIs.

@Jain and before you say "kbin does that", my point is exactly that I shouldn't need different accounts to interact with different services.

@Jain I am aware of Tusky - using it right now.

Can I use my Mastodon account to browse a Lemmy community, see the list of posts, open a post, vote up/down the comments?

AFAIK, I can't. There is no unified client that can let me do that from the same account. If I want to access something through the Lemmy interface, I need a Lemmy client, which can only interact with Lemmy servers. Same with "Mastodon-compatible" servers and clients.

@Jain replace "mastodon" with "microblogging" and "lemmy" with "discussion forum". Does it help?

@Jain of course. But is there any client out there that can let me have a lemmy-like experience while connected from my mastodon account, or vice-versa?

@timbray @codinghorror

Not just that, to improve the ActivityPub ecosystem as a whole we need to separate servers and clients.

It might have been a good idea when Mastodon just needed to be an alternative to Twitter, but now we can aim higher.

We shouldn't need one account for twitter-style feeds, another for reddit-style forums, another for flickr-style photo sharing and another github-style code work. We can have one single account for everything, and just change the clients.

@feld The requirement is for companies that have a substantial market share. So, WhatsApp and Apple Facetime will have to find a way to interoperate. Likely, RCS.

@feld It's a pity that jwz retracted his "how is this going to get a 20-year old laid?" piece, because to the absolute majority of people this is the only real decision factor when choosing anything related to technology.

How much of Apple's marketshare is determined by the "Don't that men that use Android because that means they are too poor to buy an iPhone" meme?

@silverpill That's really cool. Is there any system that has implemented this FEP already?

Evidence number 37 that ActivityPub needs to find a way to decouple actor identities from DNS:
Feddit.UK has finally kicked the bucket- and what happens next. https://communick.news/post/520100

@feditips @Zeugs @mho @jwildeboer @tchambers @FediFollows there is no privacy being "sacrificed" here, that's my larger point. If the Fediverse ever becomes big enough, *someone* will index it. Having it "opt-in" is like asking "pretty please leave me alone" to 3-letter agencies and Big Data miners. Do you think they'll honor it?

Those that need real privacy should not even be on Mastodon and should use only provably secure communication channels.

@feditips @Zeugs @mho @jwildeboer @tchambers

These are implementation details which are orthogonal to the architecture.

Personally, I'm of the opinion that we shouldn't pretend that information in a social network can be private or shielded, and we should educate people that *everything* posted in the internet should be treated as public information.

I know that this is not a popular opinion though, so a search engine could be made opt-in.

@feditips @Zeugs @mho @jwildeboer @tchambers No, one server that is affordable even by an independent software developer (such as myself and my business) and that could offer a service that is almost a commodity.

If any of these service providers tried to go rogue or evil, market forces would peg them down rather quickly.

@feditips @mho @jwildeboer @tchambers

Instead of forcing journalist to have multiple accounts, wouldn't it be easier to have one separate search engine that aims to see all the fediverse? It could even be plugged in directly into the client's interface.

@Zeugs @feditips @mho @jwildeboer @tchambers

Nothing much, really. The fediverse is still relatively small. You can still crawl and index all of it with one (big) commodity server.

@vixn @meso @coolboymew

If you think that everyone lives in a shitty American suburb, okay. But how is that going to "destroy the economy" in an urban environment?

In any big city in Europe you see a good amount of deliveries being done by these cargo bikes. It's more efficient for the delivery guy, reduces traffic and lets this job be done even by kids who don't/can't drive.

@coolboymew @vixn @meso

Which part of "urban delivery" you missed? Of course this is only for cities and areas with higher population density.

@coolboymew @vixn @meso

> it's expensive so it's basically business

Food delivery, small amazon packages, pharmacies. All of that can be delivered with a bike.

In big cities from South America, there is a whole industry (look for "São Paulo motoboys") that basically crushes any attempt from UPS or Fedex entering the market.

> it's nothing exciting,

So what?

@coolboymew @vixn @meso

> Delivery boys already have their cars

And get stuck in traffic, take time to park, have higher operational costs...

while someone on a bike can *literally* stop at the building door leave the package and go on to the next.

> exits the warehouse and do this all day.

And if you have 4 people on bikes, you can cover the whole itinerary in one hour.

You do understand we are talking about "last mile" here, right?

@coolboymew @vixn @meso

> the driver comes with the car.

So, the talk about "companies pushing this because of money" is total bullshit.

> They cover both the city close to the warehouse and 3 other cities closeby

You keep talking about logistics for the typical US suburb when I am talking about places with higher pop density, which (as I understand it) is what the article frames as "urban" scenario.

This is not going anywhere. Better to leave like this.