Christine Lemmer-Webber 🌀
I'm amused by several things about https://freeourfeeds.com/ the "free ATProto" campaign but not the least of which is that the preview image fetched for that page looks like the Diaspora* logo
"foreshadowing" -- @eloquence https://social.coop/@eloquence/113821905543455950
Christine Lemmer-Webber 🌀
@doktorzjivago @eloquence My main thoughts about Free Our Feeds are I wonder if anyone launching this read my recent blogposts which analyzed ATProto and its ecosystem IN DEPTH and determined that it's quadratic to scale towards decentralization in its present form, which nobody has really disputed since https://dustycloud.org/blog/how-decentralized-is-bluesky/ https://dustycloud.org/blog/re-re-bluesky-decentralization/
So is Free Your Feeds hoping to move towards actual decentralization, or are they hoping to just set up a *second* major relay and appview
DoktorZjivago
@cwebber @eloquence I’m very curious to hear your opinion about this. Because even though they build on top of the AT protocol, they are dependent on the relay and structure from the company, right?
ocdtrekkie
@cwebber @eloquence Isn't there like... already this whole network free from billionaire control that half this list of people has already been on?
Arne Babenhauserheide
@luis_in_brief where do I fit in your half-and-half, knowing some of the celebs but thinking that BlueSky isn’t the solution (in addition to *yet-another-big-money-tool* I see quite a few people giving up on it, because the quality of communication is better here) and wishing that they worked with Mastodon instead?
And seeing that quite a few "normies" (in tech terms) from roleplaying circles *are* in here. And even members of the German parliament.
Luis Villa
@ocdtrekkie @cwebber @eloquence And that has failed at all to attract or retain any of the normies from the other half of the list? Much love for mastodon but half of us don’t know who the celebs on this list are and the other half will attack you for even caring who a celeb is.
Gert V 🇵🇸
@cwebber @eloquence This will take just $30M over three years.
Raphael Lullis
@cwebber @doktorzjivago @eloquence
Even the Bluesky lead developers do not know how they are going to dig out of their own hole without becoming something resembling AP: https://mastodon.communick.com/@raphael/113796033637861505
Michael Santaly
@ocdtrekkie @cwebber @eloquence Unfortunately, I think it is their experience here that making them want to use AT
william.maggos
@luis_in_brief @ocdtrekkie @cwebber @eloquence
they are raising $30m. for all the years #ActivityPub has existed, has it even had $1m total spent on it? use that money to build all the stuff people want but with #ActivityPub. they are basically admitting that #ATproto is not currently designed to be decentralized the way they want it yet either.
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This begs the question:
What do they find so frustrating about the fediverse (Which would be far cheaper to fund and easier to influence), that they would forgo putting their efforts in the ActivityPub direction.
Is it simply that Bluesky is 10 times bigger and growing faster? An important factor, I have to admit.
Christine Lemmer-Webber 🌀
@EubieDrew that's the one
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There are people on that list of signatories that could match total current funding of fediverse projects w/o effecting their bank account in a noticeable way.
Evan Prodromou
@cwebber @doktorzjivago @eloquence Hey, Christine. I just was this post while kibozing the SWF. Have you talked to @robin about this? I think he's the most technical person involved in FOF and would probably benefit from your help and guidance.
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