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   Christine Lemmer-Webber (cwebber@social.coop)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Jan-2025 01:14:11 JST Christine Lemmer-Webber

   • Erik Moeller

   I'm amused by several things about https://freeourfeeds.com/ the "free ATProto" campaign but not the least of which is that the preview image fetched for that page looks like the Diaspora* logo

   "foreshadowing" -- @eloquence https://social.coop/@eloquence/113821905543455950

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     Christine Lemmer-Webber (cwebber@social.coop)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Jan-2025 01:35:43 JST Christine Lemmer-Webber

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     • Erik Moeller
     • DoktorZjivago

     @doktorzjivago @eloquence My main thoughts about Free Our Feeds are I wonder if anyone launching this read my recent blogposts which analyzed ATProto and its ecosystem IN DEPTH and determined that it's quadratic to scale towards decentralization in its present form, which nobody has really disputed since https://dustycloud.org/blog/how-decentralized-is-bluesky/ https://dustycloud.org/blog/re-re-bluesky-decentralization/

     So is Free Your Feeds hoping to move towards actual decentralization, or are they hoping to just set up a *second* major relay and appview

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     DoktorZjivago (doktorzjivago@mastodonsweden.se)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Jan-2025 01:35:45 JST DoktorZjivago

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     • Erik Moeller

     @cwebber @eloquence I’m very curious to hear your opinion about this. Because even though they build on top of the AT protocol, they are dependent on the relay and structure from the company, right?

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     ocdtrekkie (ocdtrekkie@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Jan-2025 01:36:24 JST ocdtrekkie

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     • Erik Moeller

     @cwebber @eloquence Isn't there like... already this whole network free from billionaire control that half this list of people has already been on?

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     Arne Babenhauserheide (arnebab@rollenspiel.social)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Jan-2025 02:00:27 JST Arne Babenhauserheide

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     • ocdtrekkie
     • Erik Moeller
     • Luis Villa

     @luis_in_brief where do I fit in your half-and-half, knowing some of the celebs but thinking that BlueSky isn’t the solution (in addition to *yet-another-big-money-tool* I see quite a few people giving up on it, because the quality of communication is better here) and wishing that they worked with Mastodon instead?

     And seeing that quite a few "normies" (in tech terms) from roleplaying circles *are* in here. And even members of the German parliament.

     @ocdtrekkie @cwebber @eloquence

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     Luis Villa (luis_in_brief@social.coop)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Jan-2025 02:00:28 JST Luis Villa

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     • ocdtrekkie
     • Erik Moeller

     @ocdtrekkie @cwebber @eloquence And that has failed at all to attract or retain any of the normies from the other half of the list? Much love for mastodon but half of us don’t know who the celebs on this list are and the other half will attack you for even caring who a celeb is.

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     Gert V 🇵🇸 (gert@social.coop)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Jan-2025 02:51:49 JST Gert V 🇵🇸

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     • Erik Moeller

     @cwebber @eloquence This will take just $30M over three years.

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     Raphael Lullis (raphael@mastodon.communick.com)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Jan-2025 03:54:04 JST Raphael Lullis

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     • Erik Moeller
     • DoktorZjivago

     @cwebber @doktorzjivago @eloquence

     Even the Bluesky lead developers do not know how they are going to dig out of their own hole without becoming something resembling AP: https://mastodon.communick.com/@raphael/113796033637861505

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     Michael Santaly (wonkothesane@mstdn.social)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Jan-2025 15:31:11 JST Michael Santaly

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     • ocdtrekkie
     • Erik Moeller

     @ocdtrekkie @cwebber @eloquence Unfortunately, I think it is their experience here that making them want to use AT

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     william.maggos (wjmaggos@liberal.city)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Jan-2025 15:31:20 JST william.maggos

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     • ocdtrekkie
     • Erik Moeller
     • Luis Villa

     @luis_in_brief @ocdtrekkie @cwebber @eloquence

     they are raising $30m. for all the years #ActivityPub has existed, has it even had $1m total spent on it? use that money to build all the stuff people want but with #ActivityPub. they are basically admitting that #ATproto is not currently designed to be decentralized the way they want it yet either.

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     🗦 𝙴𝚞𝚋𝚒𝚎 𝙳𝚛𝚎𝚠 🗧（🦣) (eubiedrew@spore.social)'s status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 06:03:53 JST 🗦 𝙴𝚞𝚋𝚒𝚎 𝙳𝚛𝚎𝚠 🗧（🦣)

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     @cwebber

     This begs the question:
     What do they find so frustrating about the fediverse (Which would be far cheaper to fund and easier to influence), that they would forgo putting their efforts in the ActivityPub direction.

     Is it simply that Bluesky is 10 times bigger and growing faster? An important factor, I have to admit.

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     Christine Lemmer-Webber (cwebber@social.coop)'s status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 06:26:08 JST Christine Lemmer-Webber

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     • 🗦 𝙴𝚞𝚋𝚒𝚎 𝙳𝚛𝚎𝚠 🗧（🦣)

     @EubieDrew that's the one

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     🗦 𝙴𝚞𝚋𝚒𝚎 𝙳𝚛𝚎𝚠 🗧（🦣) (eubiedrew@spore.social)'s status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 06:30:50 JST 🗦 𝙴𝚞𝚋𝚒𝚎 𝙳𝚛𝚎𝚠 🗧（🦣)

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     @cwebber

     There are people on that list of signatories that could match total current funding of fediverse projects w/o effecting their bank account in a noticeable way.