Notices by Richard Fontana (richardfontana@mastodon.social)

@bkuhn not sure I understand the hack. Is the hack a persuasive argument to convince FOSS community to copyleft LLM output? @RichardJActon @cwebber @ossguy @evan @kees

@evan oh I mean of course you could use LLMs to help with the analysis @cwebber @bkuhn @ossguy

@evan I feel pretty confident in saying the abstraction-filtration-comparison test cannot possibly be automated @cwebber @bkuhn @ossguy

@cwebber to be clear compliance cannot somehow be built in to the LLM for reasons you stated, but ancillary tools for LLM users to reconstruct provenance exist and conceivably could be made more useful @bkuhn @ossguy

@cwebber I think adequate compliance might be possible with good enough detection/matching tools but I don't necessarily expect such tools to be developed (let alone available to foss projects) (my assumption is that the few such tools in use today are pretty bad) @bkuhn @ossguy

@cwebber copyleft-only LLM is nonsensical , agreed @bkuhn @ossguy

@cwebber I truly don't think this is a new situation @bkuhn @ossguy

@amszmidt I'm not sure if that was the earliest usage but it may have been. I tried to track this down at one time.

Actually I will engage in some idle speculation here. I think FOSS culturally has struggled with tendencies on the one hand towards embrace of irreverence/juvenilia (reflecting broader historical tendencies in hacker culture) and on the other an at-times exaggerated desire to seem grown-up and super-serious (sometimes with bad results).

Speaking of the GPL and joke names, you might say that the GPL (GPLv1 and [I assume] predecessors) was innovative not just for copyleft but also for having jokes in it at all (however puerile, leaving aside the issue of offensiveness). There were antecedents like "Copyleft: All rights reversed" (RMS didn't coin the word "copyleft") but that's not quite the same thing. Interestingly, however, no non-GNU/GPL-derived FOSS license has adopted the use of jokes. Not sure what to make of that.

Just noticed that the FSF (or perhaps Richard Stallman himself?) has replaced the long-criticized joke name "Ty Coon, President of Vice" in the GPLv2 "How to Apply" section with "Moe Ghoul, President of Vice". cc: @bkuhn

@mason it's "Ty Coon", not "Ty Cobb". As defined by Merriam-Webster, meaning 2 of "coon" is "offensive —used as an insulting and contemptuous term for a Black person" @bkuhn

@mason I don't think anyone ever accused RMS of intending any racist connotation, though I think it is fair to say that he stubbornly refused to later acknowledge that the joke name was offensive @bkuhn

@bkuhn It's the name for your time and place.

gnu.org appears to be down?

@bkuhn isn't that because ſ is only lowercase? @neal @jbqueru

@bkuhn Indeed, among other things small caps has a standard use in legal scholarship journals adhering to the #problematic Bluebook format (I forget what offhand but titles of books are one example) @neal @jbqueru

@cwebber Cf.: https://spdx.org/licenses/any-OSI.html

@mattl not sure if this counts but I owned grapejuice.plus for a while

@almalinux not sure if that's implying that RHEL has a "commercial license agreement" but that's not the case (except in the sense that Alma too can be said to be commercially licensed) 🤓