Notices by Word of Mouth (notroot@calckey.world)

Deserves a QT for my fellow non-Mastodon Fedizens...

RE: https://hachyderm.io/users/thomasfuchs/statuses/111824653272041278

OK, so I normally despise "country" music (I grew up country... Nashville is not country).

BUT THIS... pure genius!!!

https://youtu.be/5Sa30gLVDxA

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Barefoot and Pregnant, Gwen Levey and the Breakdown
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What do we do with the girl next door?
She's got no choice like she did before
What do we do with the farmer's daughter?
The court took away what her mama fought for

Ask the good old boys drinkin' whiskey and rye
What do we do with Miss American pie let's keep her

Barefoot and pregnant and down on the farm
Cookin' in the kitchen and cleanin' out the barn
Prayin' in church, a credit to her gender
Poppin' out babies like a Pez dispenser
9 outta 10 evangelicals would agree
Let's keep her barefoot and pregnant
Like the good lord meant her to be

What does she do with her college degree?
Throw it out the window with her IUD
Now that they're takin' her rights away
What does she do on Independence Day?

Ask the good old boys drinkin' whiskey and rye
What do we do with the women in are lives lets keep em

Barefoot and pregnant and down on the farm
Cookin' in the kitchen and cleanin' out the barn
Prayin' in church, a credit to her gender
Poppin' out babies like a Pez dispenser
9 outta 10 evangelicals would agree
Let's keep her barefoot and pregnant
Like the good lord meant her to be

Ask the good old boys drinkin' whiskey and rye
What do we do with Miss American Pie?
Let's keep her

Barefoot and pregnant and down on the farm
Cookin' in the kitchen and cleanin' out the barn
Prayin' in church, a credit to her gender
Poppin' out babies like a Pez dispenser
9 outta 10 evangelicals would agree
Let's keep her barefoot and pregnant
Like the good lord meant her to be
Barefoot and pregnant, y'all

@lxo@gnusocial.net This is exactly what I'm talking about. Once again, as soon as I reply, the claws come out. You're mixing up copyrights and production rights, like most of the other people I've tried to engage with. Copyrights don't just protect publishers and corporations. They protect independent artists as well.

Where's the solidarity with 99% of working class artists? When I paint a painting, the right to make copies remains with me, the artist. Even if I sell a work of art, unless I transfer copyrights, I am still protected against a host of issues. It's not at all like you portray it.

I don't get why supposed "leftists" are up in arms about copyrights. When I try to dig deeper, the answer is piracy. But that's production rights. Your beef is with publishers, not copyright holders.

For example, suppose I team up with a couple other developers and we write an open source game under MIT license. We can't collectively change that license to a corporate copyright until all the copyright holders unanimously agree to go proprietary.

And I definitely agree that CORPORATE copyrights are bullshit.. but NOT because copyrights are BS. It's because of Citizen's United decision of corporate personhood. Corporations should not be legally allowed to hold copyrights. That's reform, though, not abolition.

@lxo@gnusocial.net I'm already published -- many, many times over.

Copyrights protect not only my published works, but my unpublished ones, as well, because copyrights automatically devolve to the artist.

Do corporations abuse their production rights? Yes. They're corporations. They're greed factories.

But what these anti-copyright fake-ass "activists" want is something (a) completely unintelligible -- they don't actually KNOW what they want to replace copyrights with, because they don't give a fuck about the artists... they're merely self-entitled consumers; and (b) nonsensical, because who else, besides the artist, should hold the right to say what is done with that art thereafter?

I don't expect an intelligent (or even intelligible) response. I've had like 5 of these pointless discussions this week, and only in one case was my interlocutor capable of discussing copyright from an artist's POV. The others all immediately devolved to name-calling and shit-throwing "leftist" pablum about how I'm a nobody, and therefore I should just give all my artwork and writing away to ungrateful very-online gamer bros.

@lxo@gnusocial.net I mean... nice bumper-sticker slogans.

I get that "leftists" wanna get rid of copyrights. But as an artist and writer, I can only laugh in your face. You don't even have actual cogent arguments. You don't even know WHY you wanna get rid of copyrights. You don't even know what copyrights are, or how they protect artists.

As an artist and writer, I can only say, "Fuck you, no."

@exception@mastodon.savvy.ch @cstross@wandering.shop I'm confused... as a published writer and artist, copyright protects me. Why would artists bother to work if any schmuck could steal our work and claim it as their own?

@KevinCarson1@kolektiva.social @cstross@wandering.shop @pleaseclap@urbanists.social @exception@mastodon.savvy.ch It's not about the money! It's about the CREDIT.

It's MY art, or MY novel, because I MADE it. That's what copyright protects. If you want the right to copy MY art, you must deal with ME. And the answer is, "No, you may not copy my work."

Maybe you're a publisher, and you offer me money to copy my work? Maybe I accept that money and allow you production rights to make, distribute, and sell copies of my work.

But the copyright is still MINE, for the rest of my life unless I choose to transfer it to someone else. But that's MY choice, because it's MY art.

@pleaseclap@urbanists.social @KevinCarson1@kolektiva.social @cstross@wandering.shop @exception@mastodon.savvy.ch LOL no, it's my right as the creator of the art! I'm sorry to tell you, but I'm no communist. You can't have my work!

This ain't rocket science! You commies are basically saying, "Nice art! We're taking it away from you for the good of the state."

What even is the point of all this copyright hate? Why do you want to steal my work?

@pleaseclap@urbanists.social @KevinCarson1@kolektiva.social @cstross@wandering.shop @exception@mastodon.savvy.ch Nevermind. I'm just gonna block you since you're just doing the usual mindless "leftist" trolling. Not one of you commies will respond to even the most anodyne questions. You just spout bumper-sticker slogans then, when you encounter any pushback, you Gish Gallop.

So... I'm done. I'll happily engage in discussion of the pros and cons of copyright with anyone who is actually willing to engage on the topic in an intelligent manner.

You, clearly, are not one of them.

@rsf92@fosstodon.org @KevinCarson1@kolektiva.social @cstross@wandering.shop @pleaseclap@urbanists.social @exception@mastodon.savvy.ch It's not about funding... it's not about money, at all. Dunno how many times I have to say it.

It's about credit. Yes, for big projects, that also means the funding attached to the credit, but it's about credit, and I don't mean "credit card" credit...

I mean to the right to say, "I made this. It is mine. If you want a copy, just ask."

I want my art to be mine. If I choose to give it away, that should be my choice. This isn't a big ask. This is how it has always been.

@rsf92@fosstodon.org @KevinCarson1@kolektiva.social @cstross@wandering.shop @pleaseclap@urbanists.social @exception@mastodon.savvy.ch @pluralistic@mamot.fr What is mine is what I made! Power to the artist!

I made a drawing. Or I painted a painting. Or I wrote a book. Or I composed a song.

That's what's mine. The creative process and the creation.

The art, both verb and noun. That's what artists DO.

You seem determined to reduce art to monetary incentive. Yes, artists need patronage. But I'm not going to just let people claim credit for my work, either. I'll protect what I made.

@KevinCarson1@kolektiva.social @pluralistic@mamot.fr @cstross@wandering.shop @pleaseclap@urbanists.social @exception@mastodon.savvy.ch @rsf92@fosstodon.org You're confusing production rights with copyrights. As an artist, I can enter a contract with a publisher in order to monetize my work -- or I can attempt to distribute it myself. But the copyright remains in my name, forever.

I'm just trying to get someone to tell me what possible benefit there is to getting rid of copyrights? So far, I've heard nothing even remotely similar to a cogent argument.

I don't see why everyone is getting so pissy about this. All I'm saying copyright law protects artists, so why would we get rid of it? It's not exactly a controversial take...

@rsf92@fosstodon.org @pluralistic@mamot.fr @KevinCarson1@kolektiva.social @cstross@wandering.shop @pleaseclap@urbanists.social @exception@mastodon.savvy.ch I get that... I thing Copyleft is pretty cool... if that is the artist's choice. I just don't understand why some seem to think that artists shouldn't be copyrighting their work? For some sort of ideological reason?

I'm just trying to grasp the beef, and it's frankly not obvious what the supposed problem really is, or why getting rid of copyrights -- which protect artists -- is the solution.

@aral@mastodon.ar.al Wow some real creative excuses in the replies for why people keep drinking at the Nazi bar owned by a Nazi.

Seems like the overriding factor is "more marks for my begging and grift"

@dansup@mastodon.social I admit I try to wedge various #fediverse projects into online convo. Like #Firefish... it's like #Mastodon but with QTs and a bunch of other features that #X-pats might appreciate.