Aral Balkan
Twitter/X is a Nazi bar.
If you’re still on Twitter/X, you frequent a Nazi bar.
You might say, “But I’m not a Nazi!”
So the question remains: Then why are you drinking at a fucking Nazi bar?
https://mastodon.lawprofs.org/@coreyrayburnyung/110997938267873087
Aral Balkan
@jozeldenrust What if the post office was owned and operated by a Nazi?
Jaap Zeldenrust (he/him)
@aral I left Twitter/X a couple of months ago because of all the nazis, but I think calling it a nazi bar is overly simplistic.
Twitter/X is not a bar. It's a platform for communication. I wouldn't expect people not to use the post office because a lot of nazis also use the post office.
Of course Twitter/X isn't a post office either. It's its own thing. And it's not even the same thing to each of its users. Different people will weigh the pros and cons differently.
Aral Balkan
@jozeldenrust And what if there were other post offices, not owned and operated by Nazis? What if we were actually having this conversation through one of them now?
Jaap Zeldenrust (he/him)
@aral yes, that is one of the ways in which Twitter is not like most post offices.
It depends. What are the alternatives? Does one's continued use of a service really help the provider of that service?
I think way too many people are continuing to use Twitter/X right now, and if the people who don't have good reasons to keep using would stop, the most important reason for many of the people who do have a good reason for staying would cease to be.
Jaap Zeldenrust (he/him)
@aral but let's say the post office is owned and operated by a nazi. That probably means there's not really an alternative. I wouldn't hold it against the people living in Nazi Germany to continue using the postal service, even if it was run by the Nazis.
Placing personal ads in Der Sturmer would be a different matter, and at the moment, Twitter/X is somewhere between those two.
Aral Balkan
@Ratanashi You know it’s owned and operated by one, yeah?
F.A. Suwijn
@aral Depends on the bubble you're in. I myself have no encounters with "nazis" except when I consciously seek out "trending" topics on politics or "important people". So I avoid them.
Aral Balkan
@primalanomaly What if America was ruled by a Nazi?
(Not a huge “what if?”, to be fair. Not even a huge “what if?” that it could be ruled at some point by the same Nazi that rules X today.)
Primal Anomaly
@aral sorry but that statement is wild. Twitter has hundreds of millions of users. It’s not a bar with a two-digit number of patrons who are 90% nazis. You might as well be saying “America has nazis, why are you choosing to live in a nazi country?”
Aral Balkan
@Taco_lad “Fedi” is thousands and thousands of different spaces. Each one different in its moderation and policies. It’s not one place like Twitter/X.
Saying “fedi” is not SW friendly is like saying the “web” or the “Internet” is not SW friendly. It’s true for some corners, not so for others.
Biggles
@aral because fedi isn't SW friendly enough yet, so it's still the only way to check up on my friends in that space when I am strapped for cash
Aral Balkan
@stevencworlds @primalanomaly You realise you have to consciously launch the app or visit the web site every time right? You don’t live in Twitter/X. You make a decision to go there and engage every single time.
What’s not a serious statement is conflating the plight of people whose very existences are threatened in an increasingly hostile state with your inability to resist the dopamine hits of a fucking social network.
Steven Capobianco
@aral @primalanomaly are people who live in Florida DeSantis supporters?
You realize how hard it is for some to just up and leave, right?
Calling people n*zi’s because they continue to remain on a platform where their audience is (and without any immediate avenues to move to thus far except maybe Mastodon and Cohost) is reckless and barely a serious statement
Word of Mouth
@aral@mastodon.ar.al Wow some real creative excuses in the replies for why people keep drinking at the Nazi bar owned by a Nazi.
Seems like the overriding factor is "more marks for my begging and grift"
Aral Balkan
@primalanomaly @Lana You realise you just wrote that on a genuinely good alternative, right?
Primal Anomaly
@Lana @aral I left Twitter long ago, but I’ve yet to see another platform that comes anywhere close to being as good as Twitter was. I can 100% see why people are struggling to leave - there are zero genuinely good alternatives.
Renarde
@primalanomaly @aral Twitter is actively PAYING Nazi because of their political viewpoint. Leaving Twitter isn't hard, there is load of alternatives that are safer and far less toxic.
Your analogy doesn't hold up.
Petra van Cronenburg
@aral It's even worse: you serve them your data. You gift your data to the Nazi bar and help them to play even a majority-illusion.
Randy Hall
@primalanomaly @aral miles of difference between the two. A social media platform is something you choose to participate in. What country you live in is not something that most folks have the ability to choose. Being stuck in a #fascist country is not a matter of choice, but spending any amount of time on X/Twitter is 100% a choice.
Quit apologizing for people who have had enough time and been told repeatedly to realize that they are now hanging around in a Nazi bar.
Aral Balkan
@Whynotwatermelon Well, if you’re going to get kicked out of somewhere for something, it’s about the best possible reason :)
Boo
@aral Makes sense. I just got kicked off for talking about punching nazis lol
Aral Balkan
@Whynotwatermelon Also, welcome to the fediverse :)
If you make a post about yourself and hashtag it #introduction, folks will be able to find you easier.
Aral Balkan
@louisderrac Excellent article; thank you for writing and sharing it :)
Louis Derrac 🇫🇷 🇬🇧
@aral exactly !! That's what I was writing over here a few months ago... it's time to leave twitter and stop making excuses... https://louisderrac.com/2022/12/twitter-has-already-become-the-new-truth-social/
Aral Balkan
@realcaseyrollins Does antifa own Twitter, Casey?
casey is remote
@aral Couldn't the same thing be said about #antifa's presence on #Twitter?
" #Twitter / #X is an #antifa bar, why are you drinking at an #antifa bar if you're not #antifa?"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_fallacy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy_of_division
Aral Balkan
@realcaseyrollins No, a fascist called Elon Musk does.
And, please, what did logical fallacies ever do to you that you must butcher them so?
(That’s a rhetorical question, in case you were wondering. I’m done with your sealioning.)
casey is remote
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