Notices by q66 (q66@blahaj.social), page 4

@lanodan @domi @pj i consider gentoo more of a metadistro than a particular system, so if they wanna go down that rabbit hole it's like the one place where it makes sense, but most distros really should not

@domi @pj i don't believe in init system freedom

@domi @pj (really, imo anybody who seriously talks about supporting multiple service managers is either unaware of what it takes to properly integrate one, or does not consider proper integration important, so i actually totally understand why somebody would go with just systemd, because i have no plans to allow more than one either)

@domi @pj is it an arc if it's been a consistent level since june 2021

@xerz tbh i ask myself that like all the time and i don't even need bot followers for it

@lanodan i ended up locating an old unused tv in the office and that supports 30hz

@lanodan yeah have fun getting that into yocto

@lanodan ensuring timings of a particular benchmark on a crappy device without vsync getting in the way

apparently it's surprisingly rare for a 1920x1080 display to support actual 30hz mode

@chris @mia hm, but /usr/sbin should have become a symlink? so i don't see how such breakage could have happened (unless arch did not make a symlink, but then it's just an arch thing and not a usrmerge thing)

@mia nixos approaches things differently than we do, and the result is pretty much the opposite

where we focus on doing as much possible with as little infrastructure as possible (and *really* care about being able to have *all* the tooling locally and being able to do everything the builders do, with very slim barrier of entry) nixos instead has a disgusting amount of infra for the sake of achieving subjective perfection and the result is rather intimidating

@xerz @4censord the actual fun part is that it still won't do what you expect at times

and then if you try bash compiled with sanitizers it will blow up regardless of how clean your shell code is, because the underlying code is bad

@xerz bash supports a lot of things but... ever tried to run it with sanitizers

messy code + feature kitchen sink == fun for days

btw i did add busctl :3

it works (and was less work than i expected but more than i hoped)

next up is manpages and tests, then i can cut a release... probably

@mos_8502 if you accept it then you're basically getting where we were 3 years ago

@mos_8502 i've already explored that part too though - a baseline bootable chimera system contains exactly zero gnu components

at build time, we require gnu make to have the system bootstrap self from source; to build enough for a bootable system, we also require the components that make up gnu autotools, plus some supplementary stuff (the only one that comes to mind right now is gnu m4)

so you'd be replicating basically that; the above, afaict, can not be eliminated

@mos_8502 sure, their leadership is toxic

but if you exclude everything that is maintained by people as toxic as those, you'll end up without like half of free software, because free software maintainers are often like that

and as a result you will never end up with a system that is actually practical for people to use

so while i'd absolutely love to see all projects and communities to consist only of nice people who won't make me hate computers, i don't see it happening

@lanodan @xerz (what also does not make sense is replacing it in a selectively picked amount of places with another impl of make where it seemingly works, because subtle behavior differences will actually introduce subtle breakages to the result that you won't notice until much later, such is make...)

@lanodan @xerz i mean it makes total sense to ditch gnu make where you realistically can (because gnumake is a pile of very poorly documented extensions that is impossible to replicate), but this should involve ditching it for something that is not make, and is not a distro thing to decide

@lanodan @xerz there is nothing to be gained from ditching gnu make, it's pretty much just a mildly interesting experiment for purists

it's a build tool, it should not be treated specially from other build tools