@Suiseiseki The FSF has become the PETA of free software, a sad joke corrupted by greed, hubris and narcissism, and a nostalgia for a time when they still had relevance (a time that never really came). They also reject that obvious truth that the linux kernel has been the flagship model of free software, and in their incompetence managed to sour that relationship till it sank.
@icedquinn@Suiseiseki I agree, literally, and it happened on the FSFs watch, they were to busy eating stuff from their toes and circlejerking over the purity of debian to get anything done
@Suiseiseki > The FSF is rms, so a vote would really be a complete waste of time. earlier you said I was criticising the FSF and not RMS, not you think they are the same thing.
Reality is what you need it to be isn't it?
How awfully convenient, enjoy your fantasy world with the rest of the larpers
@Suiseiseki yea not having this debate anymore lol, what free software are you writing, how much money do you give to the FSF, what are some actions you are taking to promote free and open source software?
@Suiseiseki > Please tell me and I'll soon be able to determine if it is the truth. I have done so many times to people in bad faith so it's a bit tiring but here you go (this is just a fraction of the criticism that can be raised):
@Suiseiseki > You want to see him gone because of issues you made up - I'm quite disgusted with you. you didn't respond to my actual critiques only critiques of others and your answers never actually engaged with anything, so you 1. haven't even addressed any of my concerns 2. called me disgusting
@Suiseiseki > I'm not actively trying to cancel someone neither am I
> I didn't call you disgusting, I noted that I was disgusted by the sort of comment you made about wishing to cancel someone over nothing. < You want to see him gone because of issues you made up - I'm quite disgusted with you. the mental gymnastics on display here mirrors those of RMS defenders in general, I'm not interested in engaging with people that don't reside in reality enjoy your narcissistic cult
@Suiseiseki > I noted that I was disgusted by the sort of comment you made about wishing to cancel someone over nothing. And let me be clear I never said I wanted to cancel him, you're still projecting this strawman social justice warrior thing over me but it just doesn't fit with the reality.
You're literally just fighting strawmen and being defensive to the laughter of everyone onlooker which is excactly my problem with the FSF in general, at this point it's just a narcissist cult making a laughing stock of free software, and even your whole larpy “gnu jihad” is just another aspect of that.
GNU is largely over at this point, the only interesting projects have made very clear their stance against RMS, ultimately I think many important people have left the FSF and GNU related projects over the FSF childlike antics and inability to take responsibility. Not to speak of all the women that find the FSF reprehensible that the FSF have scared off from free software entirely because they try to position themselves as the only vanguards of a movement they continually fail to propegate.
The FSF and RMS have censored, have ignored the wishes of the community many times, have held no respect to the members by electing RMS without a vote, and those that were censored when they were sad of his departure now think that the FSF is reformed just because the chief coward is back.
RMS is little more than a walking embarasment, living of speaking engagement money and spreading fear of free software from his absolute deranged world views and inability to take responsibility. The FSF and RMS are a sad joke that I hope fade to obscurity, if I was a microsoft employe I couldn't have constructed a better false flag than the FSF and RMS, it's shameful.
@Suiseiseki > Yes, one person who managed the Guix website made a nasty post and I'm not sure if it's removed now or still up. You're a fucking liar (I mean you're a FSF defender so of course you are, not suprised).
From the open letter[1]:
David Thompson (GNU Guile/Guix contributor, ex-FSF) Efraim Flashner (GNU Guix contributor) Jakub Kądziołka (GNU Guix, p4.team) Nikita Gillmann (ex-GNUnet developer, former GNU Guix contributor, NetBSD/pkgsrc developer) Ryan Prior (LibrePlanet speaker, GNU Guix, FSF member)
From the guix post[2]: Ludovic Courtès (GNU Guix, GNU Guile) Ricardo Wurmus (GNU Guix, GNU GWL) Tobias Geerinckx-Rice (GNU Guix) David Thompson (developer on Guix)
Courtes was the main developer of guix, Wurmus was also prominent. You don't know this because you're not actually aware what you're talking about.
@Suiseiseki > So it was 33 losers and not 1? Okay. each of them have done more for free software in a day than you will do in a lifetime, calling them losers is a bit delusional but not surprising given the level of debate that you operate on. Please fuck off now.
It's like they fail to grasp that regardless of how many other “correct” takes someone has, that doesn't make their stupid takes correct, and it doesn't mean we should just pretend that they're not stupid.
And they'll always paint you as some sort of evil, “triggered” sjw. I mean hell if we were discussing mathematics and they gave me a wrong theorem and I proved it was wrong they would call me emotional and hateful.
Why do they act like such kids? Are their minds just so cuddled they can't handle criticism or the idea that they might be wrong? Why are they such manchildren, and how can they fool themselves into thinking they're these Jordan Peterson types when the reality is they're just dumb normies.
> Unfortunately this is why centralized systems win.
what if... for any problem... it literally does not matter at all? What if... people that think like this... just stay on twitter instead? What if just because you say something... that doesn't actually make it true?
Feels like y'all are just circle-jerking over your authoritarian convictions, but y'all act like you're spreading some gospel not just motivated reasoning.
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