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   ricardo :mastodon: (governa@fosstodon.org)'s status on Sunday, 27-Nov-2022 00:46:29 JST ricardo :mastodon:

   wish #sokpop :netherlands: games introduced native #linux support... ? :linux: :steam: :steamdeck:

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     Christina Sørensen (cafkafk@pleroma.cafkafk.com)'s status on Sunday, 27-Nov-2022 00:46:03 JST Christina Sørensen

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     > So it was 33 losers and not 1? Okay.
     each of them have done more for free software in a day than you will do in a lifetime, calling them losers is a bit delusional but not surprising given the level of debate that you operate on. Please fuck off now.
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     Alexandre Oliva (lxo@gnusocial.net)'s status on Sunday, 27-Nov-2022 00:46:03 JST Alexandre Oliva

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     whereas all of them together have done far less for free software than the person they (and you AFAICT) obsess about hating and overthrowing :-(
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     @Suiseiseki
     If the amount doesn't matter why would you mention it, except if you were in bad faith and just trying to win.
     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moving_the_goalposts
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     @cafkafk I was writing from memory and just because I remembered wrong doesn't mean I lied.
     
     So it was 33 losers and not 1? Okay.
     
     
     Are they still Guix maintainers?
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     @Suiseiseki
     > Yes, one person who managed the Guix website made a nasty post and I'm not sure if it's removed now or still up.
     You're a fucking liar (I mean you're a FSF defender so of course you are, not suprised).
     
     From the open letter[1]:
     
     David Thompson (GNU Guile/Guix contributor, ex-FSF)
     Efraim Flashner (GNU Guix contributor)
     Jakub Kądziołka (GNU Guix, p4.team)
     Nikita Gillmann (ex-GNUnet developer, former GNU Guix contributor, NetBSD/pkgsrc developer)
     Ryan Prior (LibrePlanet speaker, GNU Guix, FSF member)
     
     From the guix post[2]:
     Ludovic Courtès (GNU Guix, GNU Guile)
     Ricardo Wurmus (GNU Guix, GNU GWL)
     Tobias Geerinckx-Rice (GNU Guix)
     David Thompson (developer on Guix)
     
     Courtes was the main developer of guix, Wurmus was also prominent. You don't know this because you're not actually aware what you're talking about.
     
     [1]: https://rms-open-letter.github.io/
     [2]: https://guix.gnu.org/blog/2019/joint-statement-on-the-gnu-project/
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     @cafkafk Yes, one person who managed the Guix website made a nasty post and I'm not sure if it's removed now or still up.
     
     I wouldn't extrapolate that to all developers though, as if that was the case, why would Guix still be in the GNU project then?
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     @Suiseiseki
     > I don't care about proprietary software projects.
     guix
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     @cafkafk >let me be clear I never said I wanted to cancel him
     You were implying you wanted him removed from the FSF, which is cancelling.
     
     >You're literally just fighting strawmen
     Yes, it's good fun.
     
     >at this point it's just a narcissist cult making a laughing stock of free software,
     You don't seem to understand what a cult or narcissism is.
     
     There would be nothing more based than GNU/Cult, but there sadly isn't one.
     
     >GNU is largely over at this point
     You wish, but too bad, we're here and this is just the beginning.
     
     >the only interesting projects have made very clear their stance against RMS
     I don't care about proprietary software projects.
     
     >I think many important people have left the FSF and GNU related projects over the FSF childlike antics and inability to take responsibility.
     I don't know of a single "important" person who has left the FSF and GNU.
     
     >Not to speak of all the women that find the FSF reprehensible
     As far as I am aware, that is because they're told to find the FSF reprehensible, which most people then will do without checking, male or female and not because the FSF is reprehensible.
     
     >the FSF have scared off from free software entirely because they try to position themselves as the only vanguards of a movement they continually fail to propegate.
     The FSF has scared off people from free software by not faltering when it comes to free software?
     The FSF is really the only vanguards of the movement - most of the other foundations I know of love their proprietary software.
     We won't sacrifice the whole point just to become popular.
     
     >The FSF and RMS have censored, have ignored the wishes of the community many times
     You haven't provided any hard evidence of censorship.
     
     >have held no respect to the members by electing RMS without a vote
     The FSF is rms, so a vote would really be a complete waste of time.
     
     >just because the chief coward is back.
     I don't thinks he's the coward sorry.
     
     >spreading fear of free software from his absolute deranged world views and inability to take responsibility
     His world views when it comes to software are correct.
     If spreading the truth is spreading fear, so be it.
     
     >The FSF and RMS are a sad joke that I hope fade to obscurity
     You wish, but too bad, we're not going anywhere.
     
     >if I was a microsoft employe I couldn't have constructed a better false flag than the FSF and RMS
     You seem to be using the meaning of "false flag" incorrectly.
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     @Suiseiseki
     > I noted that I was disgusted by the sort of comment you made about wishing to cancel someone over nothing.
     And let me be clear I never said I wanted to cancel him, you're still projecting this strawman social justice warrior thing over me but it just doesn't fit with the reality.
     
     You're literally just fighting strawmen and being defensive to the laughter of everyone onlooker which is excactly my problem with the FSF in general, at this point it's just a narcissist cult making a laughing stock of free software, and even your whole larpy “gnu jihad” is just another aspect of that.
     
     GNU is largely over at this point, the only interesting projects have made very clear their stance against RMS, ultimately I think many important people have left the FSF and GNU related projects over the FSF childlike antics and inability to take responsibility. Not to speak of all the women that find the FSF reprehensible that the FSF have scared off from free software entirely because they try to position themselves as the only vanguards of a movement they continually fail to propegate.
     
     The FSF and RMS have censored, have ignored the wishes of the community many times, have held no respect to the members by electing RMS without a vote, and those that were censored when they were sad of his departure now think that the FSF is reformed just because the chief coward is back.
     
     RMS is little more than a walking embarasment, living of speaking engagement money and spreading fear of free software from his absolute deranged world views and inability to take responsibility. The FSF and RMS are a sad joke that I hope fade to obscurity, if I was a microsoft employe I couldn't have constructed a better false flag than the FSF and RMS, it's shameful.
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     Christina Sørensen (cafkafk@pleroma.cafkafk.com)'s status on Sunday, 27-Nov-2022 00:46:12 JST Christina Sørensen

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     @Suiseiseki
     > I'm not actively trying to cancel someone
     neither am I
     
     > I didn't call you disgusting, I noted that I was disgusted by the sort of comment you made about wishing to cancel someone over nothing.
     < You want to see him gone because of issues you made up - I'm quite disgusted with you.
     the mental gymnastics on display here mirrors those of RMS defenders in general, I'm not interested in engaging with people that don't reside in reality enjoy your narcissistic cult
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Sunday, 27-Nov-2022 00:46:13 JST 翠星石

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     @cafkafk >1. haven't even addressed any of my concerns
     I analyzed each of the sources you provided to me and listed what my conclusion was.
     
     For that long post, lxo addressed all your concerns, so I have nothing more to add than to what he wrote.
     
     >2. called me disgusting
     I didn't call you disgusting, I noted that I was disgusted by the sort of comment you made about wishing to cancel someone over nothing.
     
     >yet you keep calling me hateful?
     I'm attacking your points rather than you.
     
     I'm not actively trying to cancel someone and you're the one who wrote about hating rms.
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     @Suiseiseki
     > You want to see him gone because of issues you made up - I'm quite disgusted with you.
     you didn't respond to my actual critiques only critiques of others and your answers never actually engaged with anything,
     so you
     1. haven't even addressed any of my concerns
     2. called me disgusting
     
     yet you keep calling me hateful?
     
     now get lost, I saw this coming when we started
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     @Suiseiseki
     > This is about the FSF, not rms
     so you agree he is nothing more than a puppet head that could be gotten rid of anyways?
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     @cafkafk The FSF has no sense of direction without rms and it would be utter foolishness to get rid of someone who fights for freedom without wavering.
     
     You want to see him gone because of issues you made up - I'm quite disgusted with you.
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     @cafkafk >https://pleroma.cafkafk.com/notice/APYivxozuEcs0aGW5A
     This is about the FSF, not rms
     
     >Hmm, librejs is on github?
     That's a mirror, the source is here: https://www.gnu.org/software/librejs/
     Anyone can upload free software to github.
     
     >Hmm, Gnu-IceCat is on github?
     That's a mirror, the source and binaries are here: https://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/
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     @cafkafk
     
     >OctoGNU timeline
     These are complaints about GNU programs being developed on github.
     I don't like that either, but you can really clone and view most of github still without running any proprietary software, so there's no grave software freedom issue for me.
     
     I did leave a mental note to look into such projects later.
     
     >Telemetry in Mozilla Firefox
     Telemetry is nasty, but telemetry code and even GPLv3'd malware can be free software - but that doesn't mean the software does good things.
     
     GNU icecat has the spying removed.
     
     >The Future of Linux
     Linus is not a GNU project, so I have no idea why this is listed.
     
     I'm pretty sure the "monitoring" things are disabled in GNU Linux-libre.
     
     >* Clownflare Breaks the Web-- one of the greater scourges online- think the FSF is up to fighting it?
     The FSF does not use clownflare.
     
     rms has posted about it as well: https://stallman.org/cloudflare.html
     
     >* The Web is Broken Anyway-- thank Mozilla and Google. >Don't expect a lot of criticism of Google
     https://stallman.org/google.html
     https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/malware-google.html
     
     >https://techrights.org/2020/08/30/fsf-censorship-mailing-list/
     Seems to be about censorship on the libreplanet mailing list, which is organized by the FSF, but in that case a mailing list volunteer would be doing the censorship and not the FSF.
     
     
     The page mentions a lot of things that are not really relevant to software.
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     @cafkafk >https://techrights.org/wiki/Look_How_Many_F%27s_They_Give
     Those are allegations against the FSF, not against rms, but I'll look into them.
     
     As for the rest, well:
     >To use Pleroma, please enable JavaScript.
     So you need to give me a date range, so I can look up your posts.
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     @Suiseiseki
     > Please tell me and I'll soon be able to determine if it is the truth.
     I have done so many times to people in bad faith so it's a bit tiring but here you go (this is just a fraction of the criticism that can be raised):
     
     https://pleroma.cafkafk.com/notice/APYfTW84yJdg9Sw0sS
     https://pleroma.cafkafk.com/notice/APYpyEpGM3sf0LQAL2
     https://pleroma.cafkafk.com/notice/APYijLTgdovdc2HSIS
     https://pleroma.cafkafk.com/notice/APYivxozuEcs0aGW5A https://techrights.org/wiki/Look_How_Many_F%27s_They_Give
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     @Suiseiseki
     > I'm focusing on eliminating "open source"
     based
     
     > Plenty really, I have a fairly large cgit repo.
     based, you should make it easier to find
     
     > That's not important, but I am a member.
     valid
     
     > I also sometimes look into {L}GPL violations and document the violations so the copyright holder can get in there and ensure freedom.
     valid
     
     guess I'll hope you change your mind then
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     @cafkafk Why do you want me to change my mind?
     
     Going against rms entirely, would be going against free software really.
     
     What did rms do that you hate him for?
     
     
     Please tell me and I'll soon be able to determine if it is the truth.
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     @cafkafk >what free software are you writing
     Plenty really, I have a fairly large cgit repo.
     
     >how much money do you give to the FSF
     That's not important, but I am a member.
     
     >what are some actions you are taking to promote free and open source software?
     I'm focusing on eliminating "open source", as that just leads to proprietary software: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.html
     
     I also sometimes look into {L}GPL violations and document the violations so the copyright holder can get in there and ensure freedom.
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     @Suiseiseki yea not having this debate anymore lol, what free software are you writing, how much money do you give to the FSF, what are some actions you are taking to promote free and open source software?
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     @cafkafk >can't wait for you to grow up and start hating RMS thou
     Hate is not a thing you "grow up" to do - you grown down when you hate.
     
     I see a goal to strive for unflinchingly with enemies to eliminate on the way - there's no need to hate.
     
     
     I have done extensive research on what rms has done and has allegedly done and I cannot find anything he has actually done to hate him for.
     There's many nasty allegations, but if you actually look for the facts, most of those allegations are untrue.
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     @Suiseiseki @governa I actually like this take, can't wait for you to grow up and start hating RMS thou
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     @governa >I am a big #FOSS proponent
     GNU/Jihad against "FOSS"!!!
     
     >proprietary software isn't inherently evil in my humble opinion
     Your opinion is wrong, proprietary software is evil incarnate.
     
     Imagine a chef that prepares food.
     This chef refuses to tell you the recipe and usually even what ingredients he uses - because the food is proprietary.
     If you're allergic to anything, or prefer it without the salt - too bad.
     
     Half the time the chef slips in poison - usually not enough to kill you, but enough to cause you harm.
     
     With hard work, you can reverse engineer the food to figure out what ingredients the food is made out of and if it's poisoned - but the potential poisoner often demands that you agree to not reverse engineer, so you don't find out which ingredients he uses.
     
     
     You can keep eating the food with blind faith in the chef and get poisoned 50-100% of the time, or you can stop being a sucker and go to GNU/Cafe and get some decent food that is checked to be free of poison.
     
     >#Steam is great! So are #Vivaldi, #GOG, #inSync, #Plex, #Authy
     Those programs are great at taking the users freedom and being proprietary malware.
     
     Sure they're really convenient, but only a fool values convenience above all else.
     
     
     >In the end I'm for choice, whatever floats your boat.
     Where did I say I'm going to stop you from shooting your foot?
     
     I'm here recommending that you stop shooting your feet, but you're telling me you like shooting your feet?
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     @Suiseiseki Wouldn't that be great? Who knows, maybe they'll make it happen. I am a big #FOSS proponent but proprietary software isn't inherently evil in my humble opinion. For instance, #Steam is great! So are #Vivaldi, #GOG, #inSync, #Plex, #Authy, etc. I am Ricardo, not Richard. ? :thinking_rms: In the end I'm for choice, whatever floats your boat.

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     @governa Why are you begging for proprietary software to be ported and corrupt GNU/Linux more than it already is?
     
     I wish they stay far far away unless they're looking to release their games as free software (as in freedom) and in that case they're welcome.
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     I wouldn't go that far. the FSF could and should be able to run without RMS, but it would be far worse off. our community, the FSF included, would benefit from lot more people's having RMS's vision, strategy, political skills, determination, dedication, altruism, kindness and resilience to withstand all the hatred that defying established powers brings on, but getting all of these together in a single person has proven to be an extremely rare feature set
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     @cafkafk >use a search engine
     I have used a search engine and found plenty of lies and also the truth.
     
     >earlier you said I was criticising the FSF and not RMS, not you think they are the same thing.
     Yes, I slipped up.
     
     *The FSF is made to be headed by rms - no other head makes any sense and so voting on who should be the head makes no sense.
     
     There are other parts of the FSF that do other things, as those parts are controlled by other people.
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     > The FSF is rms, so a vote would really be a complete waste of time.
     earlier you said I was criticising the FSF and not RMS, not you think they are the same thing.
     
     Reality is what you need it to be isn't it?
     
     How awfully convenient, enjoy your fantasy world with the rest of the larpers
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     Alexandre Oliva (lxo@gnusocial.net)'s status on Monday, 28-Nov-2022 06:04:37 JST Alexandre Oliva

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     remember that free software is about the *user's* freedom. when the AGPL is applied to a (part of a) program, that means the computing it does is presumed to serve a remote user. it's that remote user's computing that it performs, and therefore it's that remote user's freedom that matters.
     it is possible to misuse the AGPL and apply it to programs that perform computing for local rather than remote users. that may have undesirable consequences if, despite doing a local user's computing, that program still interacts with remote users. is this the case you're concerned about?
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     @Suiseiseki it violates freedom 0, the freedom to run modified private copies on a webserver. freedom 0 specifically indicates "for any purpose", and that means running a private modified version for profit.

     agpl disrespects developer rights to privacy. there is a material difference between offering a network service and distributing software. there is no ethical framework in which i should have to give you source to code that runs on *my* hardware.

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     @sneak >the agpl (nonfree!)
     Which version are you referring to? There's the original AGPL and the AGPLv3.
     Can you quote parts of the AGPLv3 that violate one or more of the 4 freedoms?: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html#four-freedoms
     
     
     You don't need to share the modified source of AGPLv3 programs if you don't convey them nor make them available over a network service.
     
     >a great example of this damage spreading in the foss world.
     "open source" alone is greatly damaging to the free software world.
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     @icedquinn @Suiseiseki @cafkafk it's really sad to see the free/nonfree sides turn into the anticapitalism/procommerce war. it's really dumb. you can be commercial and respect freedoms. the agpl (nonfree!) is a great example of this damage spreading in the foss world.

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     @cafkafk @Suiseiseki people like to hate on them but one has to observe that the GPL license has always been maligned ... by corpos.
     
     they only spoke positively of it during a twilight where they learned they could cheat it with a proxy server or a DRM chip. suddenly when that option is gone, the GPL was bad again.
     
     there's not a whole lot a think tank can do when an infinite supply of neoserfs happily sell themselves to everyone under the sun.
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     @icedquinn @Suiseiseki I agree, literally, and it happened on the FSFs watch, they were to busy eating stuff from their toes and circlejerking over the purity of debian to get anything done
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     • Christina Sørensen
     @cafkafk @Suiseiseki if the flagship of free software is being surrounded almost exclusively in big corpos i think the plot has been a bit fucked beyond recognition :blobcatgoogly:
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     • Christina Sørensen
     @Suiseiseki The FSF has become the PETA of free software, a sad joke corrupted by greed, hubris and narcissism, and a nostalgia for a time when they still had relevance (a time that never really came). They also reject that obvious truth that the linux kernel has been the flagship model of free software, and in their incompetence managed to sour that relationship till it sank.