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   Christina Sørensen (cafkafk@pleroma.cafkafk.com)'s status on Wednesday, 23-Nov-2022 08:08:22 JST Christina Sørensen

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   • feld
   • Wary Jerry
   • F. Maury ⏚
   @x_cli @feld @jerry
   > Can you please name one open network of significant size that is not crippled by spam, please?
   I don't need to? Besides your definition of open network is too malleable to build an argument on in the first place.
   
   I'd say that if the fediverse is an open network, then in the case of spam in particular it's enough for instance admins to deferetate instances that host spam, and this is not at all equivalent to or in defense of any views you seem to have.
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     F. Maury ⏚ (x_cli@infosec.exchange)'s status on Wednesday, 23-Nov-2022 08:08:23 JST F. Maury ⏚

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     • Wary Jerry

     @cafkafk @feld @jerry Can you please name one open network of significant size that is not crippled by spam, please?

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     Christina Sørensen (cafkafk@pleroma.cafkafk.com)'s status on Wednesday, 23-Nov-2022 08:08:24 JST Christina Sørensen

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     • feld
     • Wary Jerry
     • F. Maury ⏚
     @feld @jerry @x_cli
     > Open networks are bound to fail
     
     > Unfortunately this is why centralized systems win.
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     what if... for any problem... it literally does not matter at all? What if... people that think like this... just stay on twitter instead? What if just because you say something... that doesn't actually make it true?
     
     Feels like y'all are just circle-jerking over your authoritarian convictions, but y'all act like you're spreading some gospel not just motivated reasoning.
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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Wednesday, 23-Nov-2022 08:08:25 JST feld

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     • F. Maury ⏚
     @x_cli @jerry yeah, eventually there will be no choice but to build our own Spamhaus. A community of volunteers will have to do the brunt of the work of classifying and filtering the Fediverse.
     
     Unfortunately this is why centralized systems win. They can do much better with the data they have and use some really well tuned AI to catch things preemptively.
     
     We will never get that level of accuracy unless instances volunteer to send all of their public posts to a centralized service for analysis.
     
     But then people will scream about privacy and tracking and content being indexed and searched...
     
     It's a never ending game of cat and mouse
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     F. Maury ⏚ (x_cli@infosec.exchange)'s status on Wednesday, 23-Nov-2022 08:08:26 JST F. Maury ⏚

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     • Wary Jerry

     @feld @jerry I do not. Open networks are bound to fail. The issue is with open networks as a concept.

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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Wednesday, 23-Nov-2022 08:08:27 JST feld

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     • F. Maury ⏚
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     > Outsourcing censorship feels dangerous.
     
     Do you also run email without a spam filter? Because that's what the Fediverse is going to look like very soon. Even a team of moderators spanning across time zones on an instance wouldn't be able to keep up with the amount of garbage that's coming our way
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     F. Maury ⏚ (x_cli@infosec.exchange)'s status on Wednesday, 23-Nov-2022 08:08:28 JST F. Maury ⏚

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     @jerry I am strongly against this kind of lists. I chose this instance because I trust your judgement and your moderation policy. Outsourcing censorship feels dangerous.

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     Wary Jerry (jerry@infosec.exchange)'s status on Wednesday, 23-Nov-2022 08:08:29 JST Wary Jerry

     Some discussion about https://rapidblock.org/ in the mastodon admins discord this morning. I think there has been some discussion about similar things on infosec.exchange. It's inevitable that the RBL concept arises here in the fediverse, and perhaps this is a first shot.