@p @amerika @dcc @j @ryan @mitchconner @pwm @f0x @syzygy @w0rm @RedTechEngineer @gnu2 @ins0mniak @jesu @mint @prettygood seconded. rails was always an erecter set nightmare. even matz had some things to say which were in the realm of "but why?". _why has opinions too. meanwhile can built an entire framework in 1-2 classes max. shxt is so good. lately been revisiting chef for system even though its mostly dsl declaring a block with is to read state is nice!

i always encourage learning ruby before rails. i reversed it in 2010 and cut myself sharp for 2 years. be happy. write ruby