@ryo Now? Has been for a long time, that just makes it official. He pushed the shots too, like Richard Stallman. Hell, even from the fact that he's rich, that can be assumed. If someone makes over a million a year, their chance of being a decent person drops down to almost zero, if not actually zero. Hell, it's almost zero even making over 100k.
By the way, if Stallman saw this, he would seethe about how he's not the one there and how it doesn't say GNU/Linux. Those would be his only problems with it.
@TerminalAutism@ryo I wanted to see what Stallman thinks of the WEF and I found out that he has cited the WEF on his site before, namely how COVID has "undermined the fight against global heating".
@xianc78@TerminalAutism When it comes to politics, Stallman-san is really an idiot. That, the whole SoystemD situation, the bloatening of the kernel, the Rustification of everything (Tor, Linux kernel, and now even the Mesa drivers), among others is exactly what makes me consider moving away from Linux and going with BSD instead.
Though I do consider Linux distro's without SoystemD to be still OK for not having the Red Hat cancer in them, but still suffer from all the other problems. So they basically fixed 1 problem, but still didn't consider fixing the other problems yet. Only Hyperbola (both the GNU/Linux-libre and BSD versions) seems to be fixing lots of those problems, but again you'll probably need to have a fully libre hardware with 0 blobs in order to be able to use it.
@ryo@TerminalAutism >When it comes to politics, Stallman-san is really an idiot.
Apparently, his mother was a huge progressive activist which could explain his Bernie-tier views. I really don't care though, as long as he doesn't force it on everyone else (i.e force his own personal political views on the free software movement)
As for using a distro without SystemD, how many programs are actually dependent on it? It's the only reason why I'm reluctant to switch to a non-System D distro.
@xianc78@TerminalAutism Basically, if you don't need to use Gnome, KDE, or Cinnamon, and are perfectly fine with a DE like Xfce, MATE, LXQt/LXDE, or just about any WM, you shouldn't worry too much about it. Perhaps if you're running a server and the default package manager doesn't provide init scripts for these, you can easily write your own ones too.
But apart from Gnome, KDE, and Cinnamon, I don't think you'd find any issues anywhere, and even notice a performance boost.
@ryo Again, making more money just severely reduces the changes. Undeniable when almost everyone making 100k a year it working for a corporation, doing evil work after succeeding in jumping through evil hoops in an evil system. All of that with the goal of ripping people off and mind-raping them for profit and power. Hell, being motivated by greed in general is a bad sign, because unlike what the capitalist drones would say, yes, greed is a bad thing.
@TerminalAutism Capitalism in itself isn't evil, it's the centralization of corpoes, investors taking over everything, and them soycializing their losses that makes it all evil.
A healthy capitalist society consists of just small businesses, freelancers, and independent entrepreneurs, all competing for customers, so they have to make good products or services and improve them to win customers over.
But what if ultra wealthy investors with ties to multinational governments start buying them all up? Now all of the sudden customers no longer matter, because whether they fail or succeed, investors/government has their backs regardless.
Make too many losses? Tax the cattle harder! About to go bankrupt? CEO ejacuates his golden parachute, and it's no longer his problem. "We profit so we keep it all" and "we're making too little sales, it's everybody else's problem" is not capitalism, it's soycialism.
This is the problem we need to fix. Meanwhile, ancoms just concentrate themselves on the edges of a proxy of a problem rather than the problem itself, while ancaps go like "fuck it, we'll go parallel then, the problem is no longer fixable", in which they're right.
@ryo The problem is that in that system, the greediest and most ruthless will rise to the top and then wipe out their competition, and then back to this system you are. Which is exactly what has happened in reality. Capitalism rewards and incentivizes evil.
Also, those arguments could be used to defend communism. "Communism itself isn't evil, it's the centralization of government, investors taking over everything (which has happened)", and so on. You could argue that the system wasn't the problem, it was just the execution and that the centrality was unnecessary.
That's not my point, I don't care about these retarded ideologies, but I do think that the solution is a system that limits the amount of power and wealth that people can accumulate. Pretty sure that capitalists would say that's not capitalism, because they like the idea, the delusion that they may be on top one day and may get to be the ones abusing others. They get off on the idea of being a Rockefeller or a Bill Gates, or an Elon Musk, so they have to defend that system regardless, even if they are themselves exploited, and near the bottom.
The problem isn't with systems, it's with people, and with them accepting the unacceptable, and with objectively immoral things (like greed, and taking advantage of other people, and hoarding massive amounts of resources that you don't need) being not just accepted, but glorified. People in the past didn't call money a literal demon for nothing. That's what it is, it's a demonic force that has fucking destroyed this world and this species, possibly beyond repair.
Also, deport the Jews to Israel, build a dome around it so they can't get out and make them pay for it, and make usury a sin again.
@TerminalAutism The reason why capitalists like capitalism is because it can actually function without government interference, so when done right it can be kept decentralized. Meanwhile, communism at the very root depends on a massive government structure to even be upheld in the first place, because without it people living under communism will go capitalist anyway.
In the end, every good movement has an evil underbelly with a massive ego they want to make everybody else serve. There are good people in each movement, but the genuine ones are extremely rare in all of them, because most of them will care more about themselves, whether it be who has the most control under communism, who has the most money under capitalism, or who steals the most money under soycialism.
And humans instinctively cater to an ideology, so having an ideology-less society is going to be next to impossible.
Also, I doubt that people considered money to be a literal demon in the past, that would mean that literally everything is a literal demon, because literally everything can be used as a monetary system, whether it be golden coins, paper ballots, food grown in your own garden, teaching people a new skill, making websites for somebody else and/or hosting them, and so on.
@xianc78@ryo Regardless of him actually mentioning them, there isn't a single thing that they do that he's against. Other than using proprietary software, but only on computers, it's fine if it's a microchip in people's brains. Fuck Richard Stallman, I hope he ends up like this: https://odysee.076.ne.jp/@Soren:71/I-don't-even-want-to-make-a-joke...-She-is-raising-funds-btw:a
I hope the shots make the blood in his dick clot and it rots and falls off. Piece of shit. I defended him when his retardation didn't actually matter. Now it does, and my life is being assraped by people that are just like him. I hope he dies and goes to a custom-made hell.
@ryo@TerminalAutism No. Install Gentoo is a meme on many technology related imageboards and it's associated with him despite it not being FSF endorsed.
@ryo@TerminalAutism The meme is made to get clueless computer users to install something that is difficult to install. It's just like the delete System32 meme for Windows users.
@ryo@xianc78 Honestly, I just don't trust Linux in general at all anymore. It glows brighter than 1000 suns. Which is a shame, because it does a few things that the BSDs do not. A package manager like Guix, that doesn't exist on the BSD world and I do think it's a very good concept. I have also been using (((AAAAAAAAAAPP)))images (I hate that "word" so much, I want to resurrect Steve Jobs so I can kill him) to mitigate updates fucking shit up, so those are nice to have too.
But still, the things that are nice with it don't outweigh the gigantic distrust that I have for it. I only still have it because my drives are formatted to Ext4 and Btrfs, and I would like to get a file server before moving them to ZFS.
@TerminalAutism@ryo At least Linux, unlike Windows or MacOS, doesn't require you to link your computer to a MSN or iCloud account. With that, I'd say that Linux is in the same level as Windows 7 (and before) in terms of respecting users maybe even better depending on the distro.
@xianc78@ryo I think GTK3 is only dependent on dbus, and even that can be patched out. GTK2 on the other hand doesn't depend on that. Anyway, Hyperbola has purged even dbus from their distribution, and they have GTK3 and also some Qt stuff there, so it can all work without it. And the rest of systemd isn't much of an issue at all, really. If it was, the BSDs would be really screwed, but no.
@xianc78@TerminalAutism I don't think so, you can run GTK-made software without SoystemD just fine. I can even. Though I wouldn't be surprised if they too will cuck over one day, I only expect it to happen seeing how they killed the goldmine that is GTK2 and desperately try to pretend it never happened the moment they released GTK3, but they continue to support GTK3 now that GTK4 is long out.
@TerminalAutism@ryo Yeah @TerminalAutism it's always those evil Jews that corrupted us!!!!!!!!!! People are 100% not evil 100% innocent ??????????? We 100% will not become the Jews!!!!!!!!!! (Trust me bro)
No, let's be honest, we will become evil too when we have the same level of power. Or, do you imply those Jews are gods?
@TerminalAutism@ryo @TerminalAutism, tbh I think the *ideologies supporters just envy of the elites and want to replace them with themselves, a controlled opposition, or they don't realize what their own roles are. A obvious sign is that they always avoid talking about the fundamentals such as power, but insist on throwing bunch of complicated and fancy system to cover their real intentions.
@TerminalAutism@xianc78@ryo "Encountering other people without vaccination is like driving a car without learning how to drive safely: it endangers oneself and others. Everyone who can get vaccinated has a duty to do so. " - Richard Stallman
@ryo "it can actually function without government interference" That's what I hear, except it has never, ever happened. It's just like that mythical true communism, people insist that it's possible, but where is it? The first thing that happens in a system like that is that the most powerful capitalists create a government. Also, ideologies are brainwashing. So, as long as people are ideological, they will be brainwashed, and as long as they are brainwashed, they will be ideological.
Anyway, look up Mammon. It's a demon, and from what I know, its name just means money. It's an evil force in this world that possesses people, so it's definitely accurate enough to call it a demon.
@udon@ryo I legitimately think that it's impossible for ideologies to even be used for good, at least in the long term. People get attached to the labels, and then someone else shows up and slowly changes their meaning over time and it's all fucked again. I have repeated this a lot in the past, but people have to understand the difference between concepts and words, and start thinking in concepts. Words can be corrupted, they can be changed from meaning one thing to meaning another, but concepts can never be corrupted. So, I am against putting a name on sets of ideas, it's a terrible idea. Concepts are constants, words are variables that contain pointers to concepts, and those can be overwritten.
@TerminalAutism@ryo > I have repeated this a lot in the past, but people have to understand the difference between concepts and words, and start thinking in concepts. That's why I think you should have a site, darknet or not. ?
Yeah people have been loving to play games on wordings (look at the definition of vaccine and herd immunity nowadays). I think we can understand things already without ideologies, by studying things on a low level (unless we don't want to understand, maybe for power or pride or other stupid things).
@udon@ryo I have a website, but it's just a placeholder for now. But I did update it recently and it looks pretty funny, and also objectively superior to all popular websites. https://terminalautism.neocities.org/
Anyone knows why the table is being inverted in Links? The page's first row is being displayed second, and the second one is being displayed first. More details there.
Also, can't you do custom cursors anymore? I do it in a local HTML document, but I couldn't do it there, at least on Neocities. I thought about making it the Lance of Longinus, from Evangelion, but that wouldn't have worked with so few pixels anyway. So I was thinking about something with flames.
@TerminalAutism@ryo >Regardless of him actually mentioning them, there isn't a single thing that they do that he's against. Other than using proprietary software, but only on computers, it's fine if it's a microchip in people's brains.
Stallman is pro-cash while WEF is pro-CBDC. I also think Stallman wouldn't be a fan of digital ID because it requires a smartphone and Stallman doesn't even carry a dumbphone.
@fluoride@TerminalAutism@ryo I only used TrueOS which was a fork of FreeBSD that was supposed to be the Ubuntu of the BSD world but it is now discontinued. I could only get it running on a VM though.
@xianc78@TerminalAutism It's more common than you think. Just look at how many "anti stablishment" "dissidents" so-called are around who are all anti-CBDC, anti-digital ID, and pro-cash, and still not only carry around the very device that enables all the shit they claim to be against in the first place, they even shill for these over real computers too.
@TerminalAutism@ryo I always thought his anti-natalist views were his most disgusting beliefs (I think I remember him even saying that women should be ENCOURAGED to have abortions), but this pro-vaccine extremism probably tops all of that.
@xianc78@ryo "I also think Stallman wouldn't be a fan of digital ID because it requires a smartphone and Stallman doesn't even carry a dumbphone." What if it was "free software"? Also, I read his articles on the shot. He's all for firing people for not taking them and banning them from public spaces, and I think his only problem with using software to enforce that is that it's not "free software".
@xianc78@udon@TerminalAutism Rather, the leftist hippies are now the establishment, and the "neonazi racist pedophile transphobic fascism homophobic antisemite islamophobic white supremisist etc etc etc" right wing are the counter narrative now. So of course the roles are being swapped too.
@udon@TerminalAutism@ryo It wasn't long ago that leftist hippies like him were the anti-vaxxers. He also used to be strongly anti-GMO. I wonder if that has changed now that GMOs are considered a solution to climate change.
@TerminalAutism@udon As I said, humans tend to be pre-programmed to go along with ideologies, whether we like it or not. Even if you'd set up a "FUCK ALL IDEOLOGIES!!" movement, that too soon becomes an ideology the moment more people start repeating the same lines, and they will. This is also why religion exists; these too are ideologies. This is also why civilizations always tend to have an expiration date stamped on them from the very beginning.
@TerminalAutism@udon Can't you just rename the "left-column", "middle-column", and "right-column" to just "column"? I mean, they all do the exact same thing, so it's quite a waste of lines of CSS code.
@TerminalAutism@udon Can't you just rename the "left-column", "middle-column", and "right-column" to just "column"? I mean, they all do the exact same thing, so it's quite a waste of lines of CSS code.
@udon@ryo By the way, I know what you're thinking. You're thinking "column menus on the sides are bad for Satanphone users". Yes, they are. Isn't that great? Good reason for doing it.
@ryo@xianc78 The Gigachad move when it comes to Satanphones would be for them to make their own websites, and then add some JavaScript that makes the website not work when displayed on mobile browsers, but that does nothing at all if JavaScript is blocked. The website itself having no JS other than that, of course.
@TerminalAutism@xianc78 I'm considering on doing the same thing again. The reason why I didn't is simply because I have nothing useful to use the sidebars for, and I'm a lazy fuck when it comes to graphics, which is why there's such a lack of images on my website.
@ryo@xianc78 He became what he was fighting against. He became proprietary software. The proprietary software now runs through his veins. Or clogs them up, one or the other, but presumably so does his morbid obesity, so I suppose his heart would have blown up either way.
@ryo@udon Fair enough, it might be unavoidable. But if that's the case, it's unavoidable for the masses, not for the people here. Anyway, there are lines that people should repeat, and one of them is "there is no religion but truth". Comes from theosophy, but it's probably one of the best statements ever made.
Hell, maybe you can have a good ideology if it's that sentence and explicitly nothing but that and no exceptions. I just call it having a functioning mind, though. The truth is the only system that you need, and the only things that you need to do are the ones that lead to positive outcomes. And when they don't work, you stop and try something else instead of stubbornly sticking with it because of some belief system.
I just had a strong sense of deja vu. Am I in the Endless Eight? Have I made this exact post before? Is my life becoming this video https://yewtu.be/watch?v=3TwwfTjHmQE ? Kyon-kun denwa?
@TerminalAutism@udon > And when they don't work, you stop and try something else instead of stubbornly sticking with it because of some belief system.
Which is why I no longer consider myself an ancap, and considered myself a fork of it using my own custom ideas. And then I discovered CryptAn, which is almost identical to my ideas, made by the same Satoshi Nakamoto who invented Bitcoin, and exists since the mid 1980s. What the fuck!?
@ryo@udon They will be different eventually (and the middle one is already different because it holds the actual text). I just temporarily filled them with random stuff because it amuses me. The idea is for the left side to link to things within the website and the right side to link to other websites. I don't actually need two columns, I just added them because the lack of symmetry bothers me, at least at the moment, but maybe I will only have the left one, because the article is a little narrow for tiling vertically (like this |, people are always vague about that).
Anyway, Neocities doesn't seem to like some of the things that I do. They didn't like </br> either, so I changed it to <br>, which is what they wanted, even though it's not how I do it. HTML is a fucking mess and I hate it, and I considered just having one bar at the top, but that's not very classic. And it's good for phonefags, and I don't like that because they should feel my pain, except they never will because my stuff is light and theirs is like, 50 MB for black text on a white background, with one image. So really, we'll never be even.
@ryo@xianc78 Well, I can relate to that, considering that mine still has basically nothing in it. Doesn't help that there are so many things to do. Of course, I could just do the rest, but I really want to figure out what is wrong first, and make it work on Links even though no one actually cares about that. I may not even touch the HTML directly after I have figured it out, I may just use Lisp to generate it, I don't know.
@ryo@udon I tried to be an ideologue when I was a teenager because it's easy. So, I looked for ideologies, but I didn't agree with any of them, so it didn't work. And then I eventually realized that they are stupid, and later that they are evil.
The fact that they are stupid is a lot more obvious considering that every ideologue says that those other people are "not real whateverists". Also "I am a whateverist, but I don't believe in these whateverist points". Or someone doesn't know what the fuck the ideology is and they have to explain it, and it takes longer than just explaining what the fuck they believe in directly, negating the point of the word. Really, everything about ideologues contradicts the convenience that supposedly comes from using those terms. I think it pretty clearly makes dialogue worse, not better.
And of course, all of them argue incessantly about what the ideology is. The hell is the point? It just prevents growth and creates a group mentality and divides people into irrational camps of screeching monkeys, that's all it does. People that I talk to still know my points, they don't need me to be a whateverist. And if you don't make points, people are never going to know you anyway, there is no way to avoid. Well, unless you become a completely generic person that is a perfect embodiment of those labels. Then maybe someone could know everything about you just from you writing "trans xim/xhem, atheist, anarcho-nationalist-social-democratic-communist-monarchist, furry, gamer" on a Twitter profile (I hear that that's what they do).
@TerminalAutism@ryo > I tried to be an ideologue when I was a teenager because it's easy And it's an age where teens are looking for their identities (and group mentality is a comfort). You can see teens get into ideology, way often than others.
@TerminalAutism@ryo Lol what. When did I even imply that? I don't care much about mobile interface either, only where there is space to take care of that.
@ryo@TerminalAutism Yes, but I don't think being "pre-programmed" justifies. Well, at least it seems @TerminalAutism can escape from that "pre-programming", so why not others when they can? If it's not for profit, pride or other personal goals (that are milked from the believers), I don't see the value of it. The environment is hostile and shit enough and yes I know it's hard to change others, but I don't want to make it stinks further.
@udon@TerminalAutism Because sometimes you abide to an ideology without even knowing. Take the Qanon larpers for example, they were part of an ideology, or a cult, it's the same thing anyway, but they don't think themselves as serving an ideology, they legit think they're serving the truth while they don't.
Everything is an ideology in a sense, like I said even "no ideology at all" is an ideology, because you've got the idea of not following a certain idea, then others catch on and start getting the same idea of not having an ideology, and now they serve the ideology of not following an ideology, then somebody else looks at it and goes like "heh, that ideology is retarded".
@udon@TerminalAutism Well, </br> is incorrect, it implies that there's an opening <br> tag somewhere, so a </br> should close it off. In XHTML, it's either <br />, <br/>, or <br></br>, while <br> is invalid. But since his code is HTML5, the valid way is either <br>, <br/>, or <br />, while <br></br> is invalid. And in HTML4 it's only <br>.
@udon@TerminalAutism If you mean the CryptAn part, this isn't me coming to an ideology, it's rather me going my own way, and I discovered that there's already an ideology that almost fully agrees with me while I didn't even know. This is another example of how you'd be following an ideology while not even knowing it.
@ryo@TerminalAutism > Because sometimes you abide to an ideology without even knowing. I don't know about the Qanons, but if they aren't shouting what *ist they are then they aren't. Like, I guess someone might think I am a anarchist, but I will never claim I am nor all my logic is solely based on anarchism. This is the difference. Just like I said I can make up a new anarchcaptialcommunnazi.....ism by talking all the good parts from each, and we will all update our views as we grow. Discussions on *isms are fine, but the focus on being or binding to *ist is meaningless.
> "no ideology at all" is an ideology Yes, but like I said the problems are fundamental, binding to one ideology limits one to stay on that abstract level, and the ability to think about other possibilities. Like I said, power. Also government doesn't rise with ideology, neither will they fall with it - otherwise Covid won't exist. If you want more examples - Can you make software with just ideology? Can we eat/drink/... money (or crypto)?
@udon@TerminalAutism Oh, so you mean that just saying "I'm an *ist" counts as an ideology, but following one doesn't? My idea on "ideology" is "there's an idea either you or somebody else invented, and other people are blindly following it without any questioning".
But then again, I used to consider myself to be anarcho-capitalist, and then just anarchist, but I purposefully don't say "I'm an anarchist" anymore, I just say "I prefer anarchy", so that it doesn't imply that it's my (unique) identity (which another thousands of people also have) or a label, but rather as "I don't want some motherfucker telling me what to do, if you disagree with that and want to follow orders, then feel free to make that choice", which was always my intention anyway.
I did that because I later on realized that "ancap", "ancom", "anarchist", and what not are basically labels, and labels enslave you (after all, English isn't my native languages, so sometimes you end up using words with the wrong intention). With "anarchy" you make it more as the simple "I will just go my own way" kind of lifestyle.
@ryo@TerminalAutism > Oh, so you mean that just saying "I'm an *ist" counts as an ideology, but following one doesn't? > My idea on "ideology" is "there's an idea either you or somebody else invented, and other people are blindly following it without any questioning". I can't read other's mind, so I can only judge by whether they claimed that or not - so I can't judge that 100% correct. Only they, themselves can judge. Besides, what we think are not mutually exclusive, either.
> I did that because I later on realized that "ancap", "ancom", "anarchist", and what not are basically labels, and labels enslave you Yes.
@ryo@TerminalAutism@udon Really, the left/right stance on vaccines started to change after the autism community went after the anti-vaxxer movement, saying that even suggesting that vaccines cause autism is "ableist". Honestly, I've been seeing a lot of crackdown on the so called anti-vaxxer all the way back in 2019. It's just more foreknowledge of the scamdemic.
@xianc78@TerminalAutism@udon Well, the manifesto seems to be hosted on the Satoshi Nakamoto Institute website, and as I said, it has been around since the 1980s.
@ryo@TerminalAutism@udon Crypto-anarchism is more of a strategy than an ideology. It's just a means to end the state, just like Agorism. Where Agorism seeks to end the state via parallel economies, crypto-anarchism seeks to end the state via technology like 3D printers, darknets, sneakernets, P2P file-sharing, cryptocurrencies, etc. Any anarchist whether it's an ancap, ancom, mutualist, syndicalist, egoist, individualist, left-market, maybe not anprim can be a crypto-anarchist.
I don't think Satoshi came up with the idea for crypto-anarchism. The ideology existed before crypto-currencies. Samuel Konkin III, the man who came up with the idea of Agorism, hoped that technology would lead to more black and gray markets and he correctly predicted cryptocurrencies, darknets, and 3D printers. Anarchists were also the first to embrace the Internet and even before that, dial-up BBSes. So it's a pretty old concept.
@xianc78@TerminalAutism The sad thing about getting people to value freedom is that they generally won't until they get to experience tyranny first hand. Perhaps if it wasn't for me travelling to all these tyrannical and not so tyrannical places throughout Asia, Europe, and Africa, I would probably be a hatefilled blue pilled LGBT femboy bootlicker by now, which is probably part of the reason why most of Japan is still not willing to wake up and deny all calls for more freedom.
@xianc78@ryo As usual, my position may piss off every side of every discussion in the entire universe, because it's not the position that any side takes, and it's not even the position that centrists take (they don't have real positions because they're fucking cowards, they probably can't even reprodooce anyway because they have no cojones). But I'll do it anyway.
I'm torn on the anti-natalism. Abortion is not a good thing, of course, but at the same time, it's good that people that would abort don't have children. Would you rather be aborted or be raised by them? I would pick the abortion. And it would be good if there were fewer stupid people around. We do have too many of them. Too much quantity, not enough quality. Hell, that is proven by the fact that so many people have so many abortions in the first place.
Also think about it, what if Richard Stallman's mom aborted him? The world would have one less idiot in it. Also, I would prefer to have been aborted myself. It would be even more so the case if I had to be born in recent years. Additionally, I do hate humanity and want it to go extinct unless it changes its ways and stops being shit. My position on evil is that it should stop being evil or be eradicated from existence.
Anyway, don't interpret this as me being pro-abortion. I'm not, it's more nuanced than that. If it should be done at all, it should be very fucking early, before there is any potential for sentience at all, and the woman should be sterilized and so should the man, they should lose their right to have children. I don't think even most people that don't take abortion lightly would say that it should never be done. Rape generally gets a pass, after all, but we also don't want to give women even more incentive to false false rape accusations. I don't have a solid position on what the limit should be because I don't know the timeline of all the biological processes.
Oh, I also think people should be paid to be sterilized in the first place, because then a lot of impulsive idiots would take it and wouldn't have children, and then smart people can have an environment where it makes sense to start having them. It would be voluntary, and I bet that a lot of people would do it. And then after that, not many abortions would happen. There you go, I solved the problem forever. Things being as they are, though, no one that is thinking straight would actually reproduce, because the world is hell and those kids have no future and who the fuck wants to live here? Good people think about the consequences of their actions, bad people don't, so only bad people reproduce, and bad people also have a lot of abortions.
By the way, does Stallman believe in "abortion after birth", also known as murder? Because some people actually defend that. And if he does, I suggest aborting him. Maybe we can even shove him up a dead whale's womb first if that's a requirement for him.
@TerminalAutism@ryo I understand your position because you are pretty blackpilled, but not having children is what the elites ultimately want. Raising a family shows people that they have more value than being "cogs in the machine". It's why they hate it. It's why they've been pushing all this anti-natalism crap, LGBT propaganda, and the overpopulation myth.
I think once they get the transhumanist tech right, the ultimate goal is to re-engineer the human species to be more ant or bee-like where you have sterile workers and the reproducing elite who use artificial wombs to create more workers. Those artificial humans will have no connection to any family, race, or culture, and they can be programmed to do what the elites want them to do.
The solution IS to have children. We need to create a new generation of people who are self-reliant, freedom loving, and open-minded. We just need to raise them right. Don't send them to school, teach them to value freedom at an early age, and to be skeptical of the media.
@ryo@udon To me, an ideology has to be a prepackaged system of ideas, not a single idea. Of course, you can have a label for a single idea and then more things can be attached to it so it becomes one, like atheism became a religion (while theism is not a religion at all because people don't identify as just theists, because it's a single idea). But that's exactly why you shouldn't give ideas names, that way they can't become an identity and no other crap can be added to that identity. Anyway, is math an ideology? Are the laws of physics an ideology? Is basic fucking logic an ideology? That's silly.
@ryo@udon Not every ism is an ideology, though they do tend to become ideologies when people start identifying with them and attaching more to them, if they don't come up with a new label entirely. Anyway, I am against identifying with ideas because again, it turns people into irrational monkeys that refuse to change their minds no matter how obviously wrong they are. I don't care if it's part of human nature, just cut it off. Amputating this tumor may seem extreme, but then you remember that it is a big reason why people cut their own genitals off, and it doesn't seem so extreme anymore.
@xianc78@ryo Your children will be hunted down and exterminated by that system and will never have a fighting chance because the war will be lost before they are old enough to even know what is going on. This is just more of that human trend that I despise, of always pushing problems to the next generation. This is our problem to solve, or to die trying to solve. And if there isn't enough good left in humanity for it to overcome its rotten nature, then it should go extinct. I was never a fan of it anyway.
Frankly, if I could press a button to wipe out all life on this planet, I would do it immediately, it would be the most moral thing that anyone could possibly do. It would also be in my own self-interest, because of the risk of me being born in this world again. Frankly, I would rather be erased from existence entirely, than ever have to live here again. To me, this planet is literal hell. If aliens showed up, I would probably want to go with them. I may go full Liquid Snake and react by shouting "I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR YOU, BROTHERS!".
Also, people have this idea that they can just get away from the cities and be left alone somehow. Are they completely blind to reality? This is not a system that leaves people alone, it's a system that destroys anything that can compete with it or exist outside of itself.
Anyway, I think working on the people that are already here is the right thing to do. And we don't need more lives, we need more people to die, but the right people. Also, there is overpopulation in a sense, just go outside, it's fucking hell, there are people everywhere and they are all complete fucking garbage.
There are areas with low population density, because people are all packed like sardines in big cities, but if everyone suddenly woke up and decided to have some self-respect and not live under those conditions, there would be 4.5 acres of land for each person, and that's if all land on this planet is used, (we do not want that), and not considering the fact that people need resources to live good lives.
Of course, white people are not the problem here, the problem is with the other races having no self-control and no self-respect. The fact is that if the population doesn't stop growing, at some point there won't be enough space and resources for people NOT to live like cattle. And what do we get out of these high populations? Nothing good at all. People that are any good are a rarity. It's a population of mass-produced trash, and having children will either add to that, or create more people to suffer under that system.
Oh, and I should mention why I don't support the WEF and what they do. I don't support them because I want all evil to be wiped out, even if that means everyone on this planet having to die (though preferably they wouldn't, the optimal outcome would be for them to kill the psychopaths and then ascend, because humans may be inherently evil, but are capable of rising above it, and therefore should), and they want all good to be wiped out and to enslave all life forever, and for evil to become omnipotent and live forever and take over the entire universe. Very different. I don't care what has to happen as long as they don't get what they want, and that includes burning the entire world to nothing. To me, there is no outcome that is worse than their plans.
That's all I have to say. Oh, there is also the personal aspect that doesn't matter. There are almost no good women, so I'd realistically never want to do that anyway. And I would not want to have another generation of respiratory and allergy issues, and I also hate my family and want their genes to die. Also, I know how much I hate being alive on this planet, and I do not want that to be perpetuated, I am not dragging another life to this hell, fuck that. At least I see some justice in what is going to happen. If this world ends up being nothing but shit people torturing each other forever, good for them, I guess. At some point, things will get so bad that it will be impossible for people with any small amount of goodness to even be born. Then it will just be evil people tormenting each other forever and they'll at least deserve it.
@TerminalAutism@xianc78 The problem I have with marriage in general is that your wife will want to leech almost your entire income off of you, or they won't even consider marrying you. And if you give her less post-marriage, she'll just dump you. Your average wife over here just sits at home watching TV all day, and then complains about how being a housewife is the most difficult job ever.
And good luck even getting around as a senior system engineer while living alone, let alone junior.
@TerminalAutism@xianc78 The problem I have with marriage in general is that your wife will want to leech almost your entire income off of you, or they won't even consider marrying you. And if you give her less post-marriage, she'll just dump you. Your average wife over here just sits at home watching TV all day, and then complains about how being a housewife is the most difficult job ever.
And good luck even getting around as a senior system engineer while living alone, let alone junior.
@neo@TerminalAutism Over here a senior veteran software developer earns no more than 350,000 yen (2,561 us dollar) a month, while your average train driver earns twice as much, it's fucking insane...
@neo@TerminalAutism Over here a senior veteran software developer earns no more than 350,000 yen (2,561 us dollar) a month, while your average train driver earns twice as much, it's fucking insane...
@neo@TerminalAutism > I remember reading something about how japan's corps "Bestow prestige directly" rather than through excess salaries as is done here in the US.
@ryo I'm referring to the phenomenon of merely working at $CORPORATION being seen as prestigious, similar to attending an Ivy League university in America.
@ryo@neo Yeah, I know, it's crazy, because software developers should make absolutely nothing at all. Train drivers are useful and add something to people's lives. Software developers make life miserable and fucking destroy everything. If all software developers died right now, the world would be a better place.
@TerminalAutism@neo Good developers exist. The problem isn't that we're all bad, the problem is that most developers shouldn't even be developers in the first place. Also notice how all the good developers who are capable of doing things right all tend to be either dropouts from the indoctrination soystem, or never even started university or college in the first place.
Also depends on who your mentor is, because if a graduate with no programming skills at all joins a company and gets ASSigned to a senior developer who writes more soy than actually functioning code, then of course that graduate will become just as estrogenic as the senior dev is.
@neo@TerminalAutism Those people are extinct these days sadly. There used to be a time where everything was ASM and C, then foreign developers got hired because "Japanese developers are too old fashioned", and there has been a sudden shift to NodeJS (JS), Laravel (fake PHP), Spring (Java), and Django (Python). Go is very rare, C and C++ are for the old boomers, and ASM for the retired.
@CumskinFoidPuncher69420@neo@TerminalAutism Obviously, I mean in the sense of what's commonly used in general. There wasn't much web dev going on in the old days, whereas today it's almost exclusively web-based.
@ryo@neo It doesn't matter whether they are competent or not because if they work for money, they are doing work that makes the world worse. There is nothing good being done in software anymore, other than by hobbyists. In fact, the industry one does damage to existing software.
@TerminalAutism@neo Alright, that I can agree with. Previously you implied that everyone who writes code no matter what is automatically a world destroyer, so including the hobbyists.
@ryo@neo Oh, so that's how you're thinking. It's a language thing. To me software developer sounds professional, while programmer sounds neutral. Could be a hobbyist, could be a professional. I don't know, it just has that feel to me. I, of course, and none of those. Though I have an appreciation for it, particularly Lisp because holy shit, the more I learn, the more I appreciate it. Just getting into the concept of writing functions that write other functions. After figuring out how to add some extra syntax to the language through a recursive macro. It just suits me very well. It helps that for some reason, recursion comes very naturally to me.
@TerminalAutism@neo To me "software programmer" sounds like someone who makes non-game software, while "programmer" sounds like someone who makes either hardware or software or drivers or games or whatever else that requires code to make.
@udon@ryo Yeah, I saw that there were all of those systems of ideas and thought that surely, one of them must be good, and having a label could make communication easier. But then I read about them and every single one of them had something about them that I didn't agree with, and then I went "okay, never mind". Of course, I gave all of their ideas a chance, but none of them became much of an identity, and I changed my mind all the time, and that was a good thing, because it allowed progress to be made.
Economically, there is actually no position that I haven't considered. In school, communism and socialism seemed more appealing, but then I realized that I hate the government and I hate paying taxes and that it's all a scam, and I ended up studying economics for two years, and that flipped me to capitalism, but then I realized that I hate the entire capitalist system, that capitalism ruined fucking everything and rewards the most monstrous behaviors, and I that I don't even like making money and it doesn't motivate me basically at all.
Then I hated both, and after that I realized that in the way that they were actually implemented in the real world, they are very similar to each other (and that both have been, in fact, merging with the worst aspects of the other), except capitalism goes for a slow-boiling frog approach while the tyranny in communism was a lot more up-front.
@TerminalAutism@xianc78@ryo > This is just more of that human trend that I despise, of always pushing problems to the next generation. Yes I hate this. I don't like the idea of push your kid merely as a tool in this stupid "we vs. they" game. And besides can people really prevent their kids being turned into monkeys?
@ryo@xianc78 Well, that's not a problem for me, because I don't have the money in the first place, and never will, and even if I had money, I would hide it, because it exclusively attracts bad people that I want nothing to do with. I would only go for someone that is actually compatible, but that borders on impossible for me. Everywhere I go even online (where more people are available), I tend not to like most people, and there are always exactly zero women around. Anyway, at some point in this decade, I'll end up becoming a hobo, and I probably won't be able to provide for myself and will die, so yeah, no gold to dig here.
Also, I can't be with someone that won't resist what is coming, and women are not going to resist, they are going to give in because they are fucking cowards with no morals. And of course, all of them took ze shot like they were told. So, a relationship used to be a goal, but now it's so incredibly unrealistic that I barely even consider it a possibility, and it will keep getting less likely because women are shaped by society more so than men. It was already almost impossible, and now it's at least a thousand times more unlikely.
@TerminalAutism@ryo@neo I think good professionals can only exist in the past, where religion is still a thing. I mean, some kind of forces have to inhibit them from doing bad things, and religion does the work (afterlife or so).
@udon@TerminalAutism@neo That's the good part of religion. The ones practising religion are rather backwards a lot of times. "I had a car crash, I thought I was going to die, but thanks to the fact I've been praying for Buddha to save me twice a day, I survived the crash", yet they never manage to tell you the fact they were driving a Mercedes, which happen to be like bunkers on wheels.
@udon@neo@ryo I didn't finish the point about the two masters. Logically, if you can't serve two masters, so you can't serve God and church, or God and government, or God and human systems like religion and ideology. Makes sense to me.
@udon@neo@ryo Well, religions are ideologies and therefore have the exact same issues, so I am against them too. Can they be used for good? Maybe briefly, but not for long, all of them end up being corrupted almost immediately.
In the case of "Christianity", it was co-opted by the Roman government (hell, they even added the book of Romans, a book about how you should obey the government without question or God will be angry) and at this point it's basically the opposite of the teachings of actual Jesus.
Jesus himself was not a fan of the religious institutions of his time. He said himself that you can't serve two masters, in the context of not being able to serve both God and Mammon (money), and his position was basically that you should just sell everything you own and become homeless and go hang out with him, and that you should own a sword, but nothing else is really necessary.
And he hanged out with the rejects of society, so he was not a judgemental cunt like "Christians" are. Even the teachings that weren't excused away and that were actually followed, eventually went away too while all the bad brought in by the psychopaths stayed in there.
Anyway, some of that also happened to Buddha. I know that he wasn't a fan of the religious institutions of his time either, probably not a fan of religion in general. Definitely not a fan of people that are slaves to Mammon either. Really, these figures are very similar to each other, they are of the same general archetype. I like them but hate the people that have been shitting all over their names for thousands of years. The religions that co-opted their teachings for profit and power are trash, but the things that they had to say were good.
@TerminalAutism@udon@neo I serve nobody. Reading what you said about Jesus reminds me of living in an open world RPG; "all you need is a sword, be homeless". But actually makes sense considering how every single animal that isn't a pet is exactly like that (except for the sword part of course).
Lots of the uncontacted humans that still exist in some places today are like that as well, though not entirely as they still build houses for themselves, but I guess that's just what humans are designed to do, much like how bevers are designed to build dams, bees and ants are designed to make their own societies where they serve a queen, and cats are designed to use litterboxes.
@ryo@neo@udon Yeah, having shelter is a good thing, though if I lived in the ancient world, I think I would have ended up like that as well, or maybe getting kicked out of the city state like Diogenes. Life was uncomfortable regardless of what you did unless you were deceiving and robbing other people, but you could at least be free if you didn't have attachments that kept you in one place. People were also a lot more prepared for survival than they are now. There weren't many distractions either, so just wandering around and talking to weirdos was probably the most interesting thing to do. I think I may end up like that at some point if I actually survive getting kicked out of society.
@TerminalAutism@neo@udon These times might actually return one day, perhaps once AI takes full control, and those who won't comply get forced out of soyciety, become cavemen, and start blending in with the hunters and gathers.
At least, looking at where we all are right now on the cycle of collapse. Civilizations always come with an expiration date stamped on them from the very beginning, and that date seems to be nearing especially in the west, and to a bit lesser degree Asia (minus the Arabs) and Latin America too.
@ryo@neo@udon Well, this one won't be a civilization, it will be an enormous computer-controlled hivemind. Not gonna go down so quickly. Those other governments did not have AI, drones, robots with machineguns, all the surveillance technology, "quantum dots", weather control, GMO everything, and an army of zombies that are up to their eyeballs in nanomachines.
@TerminalAutism@neo@udon Even that depends on human life to survive. No matter how smart AI becomes, it will never be independent from humans, much like how a parasite can't survive without a host.
I have speculated before how the world already went through all these cycles before, ended with AI control, that died out, the megacities turned into ruins that eventually mostly collapsed, the hunters and gathers didn't care and carried on the story of humanity, then got evolved back to where we are today, they find these ruins thinking it was the ancient times because all they can get out of it all is "it's all made out of stone, our ansesters must have been pretty primitive for not having any technology at all I guess, let's make a selfie of us in the middle of those ruins, and put it on the internet".
@TerminalAutism@neo@udon Even that depends on human life to survive. No matter how smart AI becomes, it will never be independent from humans, much like how a parasite can't survive without a host.
I have speculated before how the world already went through all these cycles before, ended with AI control, that died out, the megacities turned into ruins that eventually mostly collapsed, the hunters and gathers didn't care and carried on the story of humanity, then got evolved back to where we are today, they find these ruins thinking it was the ancient times because all they can get out of it all is "it's all made out of stone, our ansesters must have been pretty primitive for not having any technology at all I guess, let's make a selfie of us in the middle of those ruins, and put it on the internet".