AI6YR Ben
The Seattle Times: 84 years after Executive Order 9066, we are repeating history
"...Eighty-four years ago, President Franklin D. Roosevelt signed Executive Order 9066, authorizing the forced removal and mass incarceration of more than 125,000 Japanese Americans during World War II...."
https://www.seattletimes.com/opinion/84-years-after-executive-order-9066-we-are-repeating-history/
Steve's Place
@douglasvb @ai6yr @GhostOnTheHalfShell @cvvhrn This may be a victim of reliance on GPS. Sure, it's a road. Not for low-profile tires. What a mess.
Douglas
@ai6yr @GhostOnTheHalfShell @cvvhrn yuuuuuuuuuuuup
Douglas
@ai6yr @GhostOnTheHalfShell @cvvhrn it's blocking the road so I would think they would close the road until it was pulled out. We were able to use our winch to drag my truck over some big rocks to get around it. But a lot of people wouldn't be able to do that.
Could be it's been there over a month. But it was in pretty good shape still and it powered up when I touched a door handle ( a small pump kicked on under the vehicle like many modern cars do when the car thinks it's about to have someone get in). I don't think the electrical system would still work if it had been there for a month.
AI6YR Ben
@douglasvb @GhostOnTheHalfShell @cvvhrn
Ooof
Douglas
@GhostOnTheHalfShell @ai6yr @cvvhrn I can confirm that its blinker was NOT on 🤣
AI6YR Ben
@douglasvb @GhostOnTheHalfShell @cvvhrn How the heck did it even get that far?!?!?! On those tires?!?!
Douglas
@ai6yr @GhostOnTheHalfShell @cvvhrn as the kids say...
Big bruh moment
Yeah I've got no idea. It would be not too bad to get it to where Lippincott Pass Road intersects with Saline Valley Road but after that... I guess pedal to the metal until you get so stuck there's no way back.
They got stuck in the low point on the road.
AI6YR Ben
@douglasvb @GhostOnTheHalfShell @cvvhrn
Potentially there since January 11, but that's only from squinting hard at the Planet satellite photo for changes. Tough to say for sure. Typically, a rescue of someone there and a thrashed BMW like that would make their news page; no such mention. The car-shaped shadow there does not show in the Jan 10th image. I'd think the NPS would have put a press release out showing that (typically) telling people not to do stupid things like that... but perhaps they are understaffed.
AI6YR Ben
@douglasvb @cvvhrn LOL did they ever find the owners of that said BMW?
Douglas
@ai6yr @cvvhrn I didn't find the owners and regional dispatch isn't going to tell me anything. So hopefully someone found them and hauled them out a day or two ago.
AI6YR Ben
@douglasvb @cvvhrn 😱 👀
Douglas
@ai6yr @cvvhrn they couldn't have made it in since the snow so I think it's been there at least two days. Maybe more.
AI6YR Ben
@douglasvb @cvvhrn "Douglas, Finder Of Lost Vehicles"
Douglas
Douglas
@ai6yr @cvvhrn I called Inyo County dispatch but they only had one person working tonight and they had an involved 911 call so they asked me to call CHP up in Bridgeport to report the vehicles. I dutifully did so and hopefully the CHP dispatch relays that information to DVNP tomorrow.
They've got my call back number. I wouldn't be surprised if I get a confused call from a trooper tomorrow morning wanting more details.
I was specific that they didn't need to send anyone out tonight to those vehicles. If anyone was out with them, they're probably already dead at this point 😬 No point in having some troopers get stranded in the snow overnight.
AI6YR Ben
Douglas
@ai6yr @cvvhrn maybe you can find wherever these incidents get logged and follow its progress tonight and into the next few days 😅
That BMW is only coming out on a flatbed wrecker.
GhostOnTheHalfShell
Well, that’s one way to keep those kind of assholes from speeding
Douglas
@cvvhrn @ai6yr I would suggest against it on Lippencott Road. We found an utterly destroyed BMW SUV abandoned about a mile from the intersection with Saline Valley Road. I'll post photos of that later.
But assuming no snow you could absolutely do Saline Valley Road.
Oo I think we will do Barker Ranch on Saturday. Any tips for that?
FreddyB Aviation Photography
@ai6yr Manzanar is such a bleak and haunting place where we allowed fear and xenophobia to incarcerate innocent people in a concentration camp. Visiting it should be mandatory
We are walking that path again: Never forget and never allow
I often think of little Midori who spent her only day on this planet in captivity. I am truly sorry
Douglas
@cvvhrn @ai6yr I think we're going to go to Manzanar tomorrow if it's open.
AI6YR Ben
@douglasvb @cvvhrn I see you did not get trapped in Death Valley when they turned off power, lol
Douglas
@ai6yr @cvvhrn lol no I knew about that days in advance. Anyway we didn't even drop down to Furnace Creek or Stovepipe Wells. Or even Panamint Springs. We went on the ultra back roads today 😅
FreddyB Aviation Photography
@douglasvb @ai6yr oooooh. 2016 MDX capable? I can easily get up the Goler Wash to the Barker Ranch in my MDX
Cliff'sEsportCorner
@faraiwe @ai6yr @nickzoic @SuperMoosie before I managed an auto parts store, was working nights at Walmart, besides day job, had someone come in asking if we sold wheel bearing, I'm like who would go to Walmart for that, so start asking questions. He had vibration driving. 4 mismatched junkyard tires, not even balanced.
Faraiwe
@ai6yr @CliffsEsport @nickzoic @SuperMoosie people be toohpehd?
AI6YR Ben
@faraiwe @CliffsEsport @nickzoic @SuperMoosie lol how is that even possible
AI6YR Ben
@CliffsEsport @faraiwe @nickzoic @SuperMoosie (man sheepishly looks out at the driveway with the BFG AT tires)
Faraiwe
Cliff'sEsportCorner
@faraiwe @nickzoic @SuperMoosie @ai6yr yeah, why around here if your daily driving a lifted truck w BFG AT/MT unless you live way off pavement it is actually a bad choice functionally.
Cliff'sEsportCorner
@faraiwe @nickzoic @SuperMoosie @ai6yr yeah not saying you don't need with what you do, just that for me I'd have to drive for a day or more on an interstate to need it heh
Faraiwe
@CliffsEsport @nickzoic @SuperMoosie @ai6yr oh, shoot, don't be driving MT tires constantly on highways, nah, never... it's like burning money, AND your ears. >=D
Cliff'sEsportCorner
@faraiwe @nickzoic @SuperMoosie @ai6yr I really think it depends on environment and vehicle setup, I have never needed 4L though I've played with it. To me tires first, ground clearance next, but I live in the Midwest, and deal with mud or snow over the hood of the car delivering newspapers and pizzas when younger not rock crawling 🤷♂️
Faraiwe
@CliffsEsport @nickzoic @SuperMoosie @ai6yr lucky you. I've engaged my UNLOCKED-DIFFERENTIALS-having 4L on very few instances... But I was SO DARN GLAD it was there. Around 90% of gnarly off-roading will be done on 4H, but eh. Murphy.
Cliff'sEsportCorner
@faraiwe @nickzoic @SuperMoosie @ai6yr That for rock crawling? We only have mud and snow around here.
Faraiwe
@CliffsEsport @nickzoic @SuperMoosie @ai6yr depending on mud and even small rocks, 4L applies. Transfer cases are the least well used bits of gear, mostly because folks who think AWD is 4x4 ignore their usage. And the newer folks have the too-electronic bullshit, which always fails...
Cliff'sEsportCorner
@faraiwe @nickzoic @SuperMoosie @ai6yr Think it depends what kind of terrain and vehicle setup you have, your talking about using the low range right? Not always needed specially if you have diesel, or nowadays electric/hybrid and low enough gears
Faraiwe
@CliffsEsport @nickzoic @SuperMoosie @ai6yr
Not even. Transfer case allows you to SELECT the range, AND the ratio (4h 2h 4L, sometimes even 2L). With AWD not only you do NOT have those gear ratios, but you can NOT select.
Faraiwe
@CliffsEsport @nickzoic @SuperMoosie @ai6yr folks, y'all are OBSESSING over differential lockers. They are NOT a essential part of 4x4 system. They are NICE to have, but not *it*.
Transfer case.
Transfer case.
Transfer case.
Repeat until it sinks in.
(links didn't make it https://www.edmunds.com/car-buying/awd-vs-4wd-whats-the-difference-and-which-to-choose.html
Cliff'sEsportCorner
@faraiwe @nickzoic @SuperMoosie @ai6yr honestly modern systems don't always fall into straightforward labels like that. If you really need something specific you need to dive into specific details for make model and year. Vectoring AWD systems, electric locking axles or diffs, some behave one way at low speeds like our Pilot AWD, at low speed can force 50% power split front/rear but at highway speeds its FWD. I gave up trying to memorize every setup Subaru uses sport vs rally cars for instance
Cliff'sEsportCorner
@faraiwe @nickzoic @SuperMoosie @ai6yr For those of you that really need extreme level take a look at Turtle Expedition I still think their ARB locker setup with old style foot dimmer switches is real slick https://www.turtleexpedition.com/vehicles/
Faraiwe
@nickzoic @SuperMoosie @ai6yr transfer case. The real difference is a *selectable* (you choose what gear) transfer case.
nick
@SuperMoosie @faraiwe @ai6yr yeah AWDs generally have a "center diff" where 4WDs generally have just a transfer case.
I had an IFS Hilux Surf with just a LSD in the back and no locker in the front and it was possible to get the thing stuck with two wheels in the air but you'd have to try pretty hard.
A full electric with four separate motors would be heavenly :-)
Supermoosie
"The mechanical difference between four-wheel-drive and all-wheel-drive comes down to whether the driver has the ability to lock both front and rear axles so they can both receive power simultaneously"
I had a old school part time 4 wheel drive. Lock the front hubs in when off road.
Ladder frame, bash plates, clearance, approach/departure angles, high/ low transfer case, but no locking diffs. A front and back wheel spinning would stop momentum, but didn't really happen. Very capable, yet fails the above definition.
Lots of other 4 wheel drives, also didn't have such locks.
While modern systems basically use your abs brakes to direct power and stop spinning wheels. Same as a locking diff, but external. So fit the above definition. Yet lack all the other stuff needed.
I tried pointing this out to my sister, when she purchased her Subaru Outback, but she won't listen. Then her Ex drove it through a long muddy puddle.
Hers the front spoiler acted as a dam, raised the water level in front of it. Then all the muddy water went into the low air intake, at the front of it.
Needed to be pulled to nearest road for a tow truck. Then engine cleaned and rebuilt.
AI6YR Ben
STATUS! Someone who follows us here but does not have an account, and who knows the local tow truck owner says:
".... They got a call from the DVNPS last week regarding the BMW, but the owner apparently had no money for recovery. At least the owner is apparently alive! The Mustang was towed to Las Vegas. ..."
So, the BMW owner survived, but can't pay for towing. So there, the vehicle sits. (have privately passed on the number of the local tow truck company owner to Douglas)
Jim Hubbell
@ai6yr @douglasvb @cvvhrn
How long will NPS let that car litter the park before they go get it?
AI6YR Ben
@Dougfir @douglasvb @cvvhrn Very good question.
Faraiwe
@ai6yr @Dougfir @douglasvb @cvvhrn reminds me of the ban on Crossteks, lol.
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