If we can fit about 10-100K people on a Mastodon server,
and we've got 38M Canadians,
then we're going to need 400 to 4000 Canadian servers.
Let's start building them.
If we can fit about 10-100K people on a Mastodon server,
and we've got 38M Canadians,
then we're going to need 400 to 4000 Canadian servers.
Let's start building them.
@DanFox have they? The max I've seen is 100K. Let me know if you find higher numbers.
There's also social and financial scaling. Can the community scale bigger than that? Can the financial burden be covered?
@evan Why is there a limit to the number of people on a server? Could an instance not just scale up with hardware as it grows?
@steve @DanFox cool. Probably among the biggest? Could we say order of magnitude between 4 and 6?
@evan Might be getting a tiny bid ahead of ourselves. :)
@wonky to early to start?
@darnell Cool! Will do.
@evan You should probably also contact/checkout Direct Hosting (https://directhosting.ca) who also hosts Mastodon instances in Canada ??.
? You can always scale later.
@wonky OK, thanks for the tip, but I think we're going to still work on getting new servers. We're not setting up 4000 servers tomorrow, don't worry.
@tdell the main one is that membership in a Canadian co-operative is simpler if you're a resident Canadian.
@evan Is there an advantage to keeping the Canadian userbase separate from the rest of the English-speaking world?
And @Gargron is reporting 2 million active users across #Mastodon ! Imagine if he included active users across the entire #Fediverse ?
@nev @jsstaedtler @darius thanks. I actually have some experience setting up and running social sites, but I love reading Darius's words. And it's great to revisit with fresh eyes.
@jsstaedtler @evan As always, my playbook is @darius's https://runyourown.social.
@nev @evan YES. There's a "social" part of "social media." It's easier to manage a single smaller instance, plus it is less likely to be reduced to the lowest common denominator of its members. And with Mastodon, anyone else can freely (and rightfully) block your whole instance if it harbours any number of bad actors.
@evan TBH I think the upper bound for a Mastodon server should not be "how many people can the server handle" but "how many people can the admins and mods handle". And if that's only 1000, 100, or 5, that's fine.
I've seen a lot of servers with growing pains, and it's not a technical issue, it's social—taking on users en masse without the resources to vet, moderate, and support them.
@chris it's a napkin estimate for setting lower bounds on the number of sites in Canada.
If typical sites are 100 or 1000 people, that means we'll need 40K to 400K sites for all Canadians.
It's a lot!
@chris do you have a quick Free and Open Source form builder you'd recommend?
@evan We've already started https://thecanadian.social
@mike good, thank you!
@chris maybe *your* business plans should go in that direction!
I'm not doing business plans. I've got a full time job already.
I'm just trying to set up co-op hosting so we can handle the #TwitterMigration as it comes in.
@chris also, I don't need a lecture on the vision of the fediverse.
I think we're probably done with this conversation.
@cypherhippie I don't understand what you mean. Socially? Legally? Technically?
@evan nice ?
question:
„local servers per city or neighbourhood, but membership is national“
Do you already know how this can be pulled off? I’m kinda working on the same problem…
@cypherhippie sure, eventually. I think our plan is to have admin-authorized registration and have the mods check a database before approving the signup
@evan technically. My assumption was:
National membership is required to join local instance
If so, it sounds to me like there needs to be a nationwide auth server?
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