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   Evan Prodromou (evan@prodromou.pub)'s status on Sunday, 20-Nov-2022 02:58:26 JST Evan Prodromou

   If we can fit about 10-100K people on a Mastodon server,

   and we've got 38M Canadians,

   then we're going to need 400 to 4000 Canadian servers.

   Let's start building them.

   #cosocialca

   http://cosocial.ca/

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@prodromou.pub)'s status on Sunday, 20-Nov-2022 03:02:45 JST Evan Prodromou

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     • Dan Fox

     @DanFox have they? The max I've seen is 100K. Let me know if you find higher numbers.

     There's also social and financial scaling. Can the community scale bigger than that? Can the financial burden be covered?

     admin repeated this.
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     Dan Fox (danfox@mstdn.ca)'s status on Sunday, 20-Nov-2022 03:02:46 JST Dan Fox

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     @evan Why is there a limit to the number of people on a server? Could an instance not just scale up with hardware as it grows?

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@prodromou.pub)'s status on Sunday, 20-Nov-2022 03:39:18 JST Evan Prodromou

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     • Steve
     • Dan Fox

     @steve @DanFox cool. Probably among the biggest? Could we say order of magnitude between 4 and 6?

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     Steve (steve@mastodon.tech)'s status on Sunday, 20-Nov-2022 03:39:19 JST Steve

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     • Dan Fox
     @evan @DanFox mastodon.social is reporting 234K "active" users.
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     Wonky (wonky@autonomy.ninja)'s status on Sunday, 20-Nov-2022 03:39:52 JST Wonky

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     @evan Might be getting a tiny bid ahead of ourselves. :)

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@prodromou.pub)'s status on Sunday, 20-Nov-2022 03:39:52 JST Evan Prodromou

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     • Wonky

     @wonky to early to start?

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@prodromou.pub)'s status on Sunday, 20-Nov-2022 03:59:27 JST Evan Prodromou

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     • Darnell Clayton :verified:

     @darnell Cool! Will do.

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     Darnell Clayton :verified: (darnell@one.darnell.one)'s status on Sunday, 20-Nov-2022 03:59:28 JST Darnell Clayton :verified:

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     @evan You should probably also contact/checkout Direct Hosting (https://directhosting.ca) who also hosts Mastodon instances in Canada ??.

     https://directhosting.ca/canadian-mastodon-hosting

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     Wonky (wonky@autonomy.ninja)'s status on Sunday, 20-Nov-2022 04:09:36 JST Wonky

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     @evan

     ? You can always scale later.

     #horizontalscaling

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@prodromou.pub)'s status on Sunday, 20-Nov-2022 04:09:36 JST Evan Prodromou

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     • Wonky

     @wonky OK, thanks for the tip, but I think we're going to still work on getting new servers. We're not setting up 4000 servers tomorrow, don't worry.

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@prodromou.pub)'s status on Sunday, 20-Nov-2022 07:47:16 JST Evan Prodromou

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     • tdell

     @tdell the main one is that membership in a Canadian co-operative is simpler if you're a resident Canadian.

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     tdell (tdell@fosstodon.org)'s status on Sunday, 20-Nov-2022 07:47:20 JST tdell

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     @evan Is there an advantage to keeping the Canadian userbase separate from the rest of the English-speaking world?

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     admin (admin@mastodon.tech)'s status on Sunday, 20-Nov-2022 09:36:31 JST admin

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     • Eugen Rochko
     • Steve
     • Dan Fox

     And @Gargron is reporting 2 million active users across #Mastodon ! Imagine if he included active users across the entire #Fediverse ?

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@prodromou.pub)'s status on Sunday, 20-Nov-2022 10:17:17 JST Evan Prodromou

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     • Darius Kazemi
     • neville park
     • Johann Sebastian Staedtler ??

     @nev @jsstaedtler @darius thanks. I actually have some experience setting up and running social sites, but I love reading Darius's words. And it's great to revisit with fresh eyes.

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     neville park (nev@flipping.rocks)'s status on Sunday, 20-Nov-2022 10:17:18 JST neville park

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     • Darius Kazemi
     • Johann Sebastian Staedtler ??

     @jsstaedtler @evan As always, my playbook is @darius's https://runyourown.social.

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     Johann Sebastian Staedtler ?? (jsstaedtler@mastodon.art)'s status on Sunday, 20-Nov-2022 10:17:24 JST Johann Sebastian Staedtler ??

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     • neville park

     @nev @evan YES. There's a "social" part of "social media." It's easier to manage a single smaller instance, plus it is less likely to be reduced to the lowest common denominator of its members. And with Mastodon, anyone else can freely (and rightfully) block your whole instance if it harbours any number of bad actors.

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     neville park (nev@flipping.rocks)'s status on Sunday, 20-Nov-2022 10:17:25 JST neville park

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     @evan TBH I think the upper bound for a Mastodon server should not be "how many people can the server handle" but "how many people can the admins and mods handle". And if that's only 1000, 100, or 5, that's fine.

     I've seen a lot of servers with growing pains, and it's not a technical issue, it's social—taking on users en masse without the resources to vet, moderate, and support them.

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@prodromou.pub)'s status on Sunday, 20-Nov-2022 23:29:59 JST Evan Prodromou

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     • 𝓒𝓱𝓻𝓲𝓼

     @chris it's a napkin estimate for setting lower bounds on the number of sites in Canada.

     If typical sites are 100 or 1000 people, that means we'll need 40K to 400K sites for all Canadians.

     It's a lot!

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     𝓒𝓱𝓻𝓲𝓼 (chris@im.allmendenetz.de)'s status on Sunday, 20-Nov-2022 23:30:27 JST 𝓒𝓱𝓻𝓲𝓼

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     • Darius Kazemi
     • Johann Sebastian Staedtler ??
     @Johann Sebastian Staedtler ?? Evan has quid a bit different ideas to set up communities than @Darius Kazemi
     
     "If we can fit about 10-100K people on a Mastodon server,"
     
     that seams to me a NO GO - jut to much
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     Evan Prodromou (evan@prodromou.pub)'s status on Sunday, 20-Nov-2022 23:31:28 JST Evan Prodromou

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     • 𝓒𝓱𝓻𝓲𝓼

     @chris do you have a quick Free and Open Source form builder you'd recommend?

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     𝓒𝓱𝓻𝓲𝓼 (chris@im.allmendenetz.de)'s status on Sunday, 20-Nov-2022 23:31:29 JST 𝓒𝓱𝓻𝓲𝓼

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     @Evan Prodromou why you are using #^https://docs.google.com/forms ?? O boy, and we thought is is all about sovereignty
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     Mike Fraser :Jets: :flag: (mike@thecanadian.social)'s status on Sunday, 20-Nov-2022 23:32:35 JST Mike Fraser :Jets: :flag:

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     @evan We've already started https://thecanadian.social

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@prodromou.pub)'s status on Monday, 21-Nov-2022 00:04:52 JST Evan Prodromou

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     • Mike Fraser :Jets: :flag:

     @mike good, thank you!

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@prodromou.pub)'s status on Monday, 21-Nov-2022 05:31:01 JST Evan Prodromou

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     • 𝓒𝓱𝓻𝓲𝓼

     @chris maybe *your* business plans should go in that direction!

     I'm not doing business plans. I've got a full time job already.

     I'm just trying to set up co-op hosting so we can handle the #TwitterMigration as it comes in.

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     𝓒𝓱𝓻𝓲𝓼 (chris@im.allmendenetz.de)'s status on Monday, 21-Nov-2022 05:31:03 JST 𝓒𝓱𝓻𝓲𝓼

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     @Evan Prodromou
     
     "10-100K people on a Mastodon server"
     
     the vision of the Fediverse is something different i thought -
     
     It is more about this here: https://freedombox.org
     
     Your businesses plans could also go more in this direction - Find ways so that every home has such kind of a box and that it can be operated easy
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     Evan Prodromou (evan@prodromou.pub)'s status on Monday, 21-Nov-2022 05:37:03 JST Evan Prodromou

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     • 𝓒𝓱𝓻𝓲𝓼

     @chris also, I don't need a lecture on the vision of the fediverse.

     I think we're probably done with this conversation.

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@prodromou.pub)'s status on Monday, 21-Nov-2022 23:36:15 JST Evan Prodromou

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     • Paul Fuxjaeger

     @cypherhippie I don't understand what you mean. Socially? Legally? Technically?

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     Paul Fuxjaeger (cypherhippie@chaos.social)'s status on Monday, 21-Nov-2022 23:36:17 JST Paul Fuxjaeger

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     @evan nice ?

     question:
     „local servers per city or neighbourhood, but membership is national“
     Do you already know how this can be pulled off? I’m kinda working on the same problem…

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@prodromou.pub)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Nov-2022 00:25:25 JST Evan Prodromou

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     • Paul Fuxjaeger

     @cypherhippie sure, eventually. I think our plan is to have admin-authorized registration and have the mods check a database before approving the signup

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     Paul Fuxjaeger (cypherhippie@chaos.social)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Nov-2022 00:25:26 JST Paul Fuxjaeger

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     @evan technically. My assumption was:
     National membership is required to join local instance
     If so, it sounds to me like there needs to be a nationwide auth server?