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   :umu: :umu: (a1ba@suya.place)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Nov-2025 07:18:53 JST :umu: :umu:
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   cp in cpan means comprehensive perl
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     @a1ba Although could also be Comprehensive Porn Archive Network, but that's basically bittorrent.
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     @a1ba @lanodan I've known some folks who learned Perl as children, they always ended up having interesting trajectories thereafter
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     @lanodan Child Perl Archive Network
     
     (letting children learn perl? that's even worse)
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     • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
     @lanodan @a1ba JavaScript is just a mutilated Self, *far* from the worst language to learn
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     @a1ba Better than JavaScript
     JavaScript for Kids.png
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     @lanodan or C
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     @allison @a1ba Incidentally my dad used perl a lot but nope, learnt it myself due to being tired of python's churn.
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     @a1ba@suya.place @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me It's a good book.

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     @SuperDicq @a1ba The one I use is typically this one (latest C23 draft).
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Nov-2025 07:40:06 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @allison @a1ba And probably also going to learn Tcl beyond the basics as well.
     Sometimes I feel like my stack is what someone 20+ years older than me would have, but well stable ecosystems FTW.
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     • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
     @lanodan @a1ba it's a wonderful place to be if you can get away with it
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     @a1ba @lanodan
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     @allison @a1ba Reason for Tcl is dayjob, so yeah I'm getting away with it :D
     
     Plus well I'm fine with editing code that's from the 80's~90's.
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     @affine @allison @lanodan exactly why one of my colleagues once said that crash is a best outcome of a bug
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     @allison @lanodan @a1ba much less traumatizing than knowing that a segfault is the nicest and safest possibility when writing past allocated memory in C

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     @a1ba @allison @affine Yeah, it's why I tend to add a bit of asserts for "nope, no way this can happen, so if it did, better crash"
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Nov-2025 07:46:58 JST SuperDicq

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     @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @a1ba@suya.place The GNU book is actually a language introduction, providing well explained examples and tutorials. It's not just a specification. It's actually good classroom material.

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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Nov-2025 07:48:04 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @SuperDicq @a1ba And yet given GNU code… I'd stay the hell away from it.
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     @affine @lanodan @a1ba fail fast, fail hard
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     @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @a1ba@suya.place This is a very recent book, still version 0.1. Hopefully it will improve code quality in the future.

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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Nov-2025 07:58:46 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @a1ba @allison @affine Yeah, I have -DDEBUG -UNDEBUG in my cflags to avoid that nonsense.

     Also no asserts when it could be regular error handling instead.

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     @lanodan @allison @affine just don't do asserts that can be disabled with NDEBUG/enabled with _DEBUG nonsense
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     wyatt (wyatt@soc.megatokyo.moe)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Nov-2025 08:13:32 JST wyatt

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     @lanodan @allison @a1ba i want a day job where i can mess with tcl or perl :\
     (or even just C)
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     @wyatt @allison @a1ba Yeah I wish it would be more common, that kind of Unix dev is pretty comfy.
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     @wyatt @a1ba @allison Also part of how I got that one is because I went like "whatever, let's try, they're the ones who will know if I could be a good fit or not and interview will help knowing more, screw impostor syndrome / avoiding rejection" so if you see one of those, give it a shot anyway.
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     T man :sex: :puffgiga: :puffpowerroll: (theorytoe@ak.kyaruc.moe)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Nov-2025 08:38:36 JST T man :sex: :puffgiga: :puffpowerroll:

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     @SuperDicq @lanodan @a1ba
     
     BURN IT BURN IT BURN IT
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     @allison @lanodan @a1ba Forgetting to allocate space for the NULL terminator is not a guaranteed segfault - due to padding it is extremely likely for there to be at least an unused byte after an array.
     
     But such mistake is a hidden flaw that likes to reveal itself when compiled on another machine, where there happens to be no padding after the array.
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     @Suiseiseki @lanodan @a1ba >actually taking the time to write all this in response to a silly meme picture
     lol
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     @allison @Suiseiseki @a1ba And funnily it's not just padding, it'll either segfault or corrupt whatever is at that the address where NULL got written, and that can just be a *lot* of things (buffer, mere variable, pointer, malloc internal data, …).
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     @lanodan @allison @a1ba Yes, as I pointed out, it is possible for there to be no padding.
     
     As below does not segfault on my machine and works fine when compiled with `gcc main.c`;
     #include <stdio.h>
     #include <string.h>
     
     int main()
     {
     char sneed[] = "Sneed's feed and seed.";
     char feed[sizeof(sneed)-1];
     
     memcpy(feed,sneed,sizeof(sneed));
     printf("%s\n", feed);
     
     return 0;
     }
     
     Of course if you enable any optimizations with gcc hardened 14, you'll get; *** buffer overflow detected ***: terminated