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   Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 22-Oct-2025 00:04:37 JST Bread up, Bro
   this is the car version of "how hard is farming, just throw a seed in some dirt"
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     Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 22-Oct-2025 00:04:37 JST Bread up, Bro

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     I have not yet had a vehicle where something did not entirely match the service manual
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     Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 22-Oct-2025 00:13:56 JST Bread up, Bro

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     @Escoffier "cooking is basically the same as the 1500s, it's just that less people know how to do it"
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     Escoffier Gab refugee (escoffier@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 22-Oct-2025 00:13:57 JST Escoffier Gab refugee

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     @sickburnbro How hard could it be to be a chef? I can make toast, am I a chef?
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     Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 22-Oct-2025 00:14:25 JST Bread up, Bro

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     • Bloodytailspike
     @monsterislandcolonizer it's just pure mitwittery; "give it gas" - oh ok, so I just dump gas in .. the intake? yeah? like that?
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     Bloodytailspike (monsterislandcolonizer@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 22-Oct-2025 00:14:26 JST Bloodytailspike

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     @sickburnbro It's like saying computers now are no more complicated than they were in the 60s because they use transistors
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     Nescientist (nomebullyyou@merovingian.club)'s status on Wednesday, 22-Oct-2025 00:20:14 JST Nescientist

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     @sickburnbro Lady approached me with a 2016 civic and said she wanted a new car but didn't know if she should wait or get a new civic or consider a neighbor's suggestion. I told her to just keep fixing her civic because all the newer cars are neutered with nonsense and going from a responsive and zippy 2016 civic to a 2025 anything would probably feel like an expensive downgrade.

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     Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 22-Oct-2025 00:32:28 JST Bread up, Bro

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     @Escoffier it hadn't always spoilt, sometimes it had just "turned"
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     Escoffier Gab refugee (escoffier@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 22-Oct-2025 00:32:29 JST Escoffier Gab refugee

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     @sickburnbro Believe it or not sauces are no longer used to cover up the flavor of spoiled meat.
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     Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 22-Oct-2025 02:26:57 JST Bread up, Bro

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     @sapphire @monsterislandcolonizer an Arduino? you need to use a 9V battery
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     sapphire (sapphire@shortstacksran.ch)'s status on Wednesday, 22-Oct-2025 02:26:58 JST sapphire

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     • Bloodytailspike
     @sickburnbro @monsterislandcolonizer “bro just manually reprogram the ECU with a chip clip and an arduino how hard can it be”
     
     Literally how I had to reset my immobilizer in my MR2 btw
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     Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 22-Oct-2025 02:43:00 JST Bread up, Bro

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     • RobCaruso
     @RobCaruso @sj_zero @monsterislandcolonizer Right, it's not that it's required that you go to the dealer, it's that you need dedicated tools, which are usually targeted towards shops, so the prices aren't great for individuals
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     RobCaruso (robcaruso@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 22-Oct-2025 02:43:01 JST RobCaruso

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     • Bloodytailspike
     @sickburnbro @sj_zero @monsterislandcolonizer It's not always wrong, but it is certainly more complicated as you originally said. Much of the time, OEM software is required which can cost hundreds or thousands to get. (Thankfully enthusiasts generally have black or gray market versions available) My car requires a trip to the dealer to change a 25$ TPMS sensor, or I have to spend a couple hundred on an after market programmer that only works on some brands of sensors.
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     RobCaruso (robcaruso@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 22-Oct-2025 02:43:02 JST RobCaruso

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     • Bloodytailspike
     @sickburnbro @sj_zero @monsterislandcolonizer The transmission has a computer, the brakes have a computer, the engine has a computer, ...
     Oh, one of them detected you did work without the dealer: Limp mode.
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     Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 22-Oct-2025 02:43:02 JST Bread up, Bro

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     • RobCaruso
     @RobCaruso @sj_zero @monsterislandcolonizer it's not even that bad in all cases; it is in some - but some cases they have parts with multiple fittments and want to make it harder to blow up thousand dollar parts.
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     Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 22-Oct-2025 02:43:03 JST Bread up, Bro

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     • Bloodytailspike
     @sj_zero @monsterislandcolonizer nowadays you can't even get away with just an odb2 reader, you need a whole ass computer that can talk with and command the whole slew of little computers in a car.
     
     "does the ECU or BCM control this?"
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     sj_zero (sj_zero@social.fbxl.net)'s status on Wednesday, 22-Oct-2025 02:43:04 JST sj_zero

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     I remember when my great-great-great-grandfather Ezekiel was working on his automobile.
     
     He said "yo Gretchen! Get me the odb2 reader! I think the mass airflow sensor is fouled! We also need to update the flash with the updated air/fuel mixture!"
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     Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 22-Oct-2025 04:30:15 JST Bread up, Bro

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     • Escoffier Gab refugee
     @Escoffier most people don't understand how nice power steering is
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     Escoffier Gab refugee (escoffier@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 22-Oct-2025 04:30:16 JST Escoffier Gab refugee

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     @sickburnbro I briefly owned a 1966 dynamic 88 and the difference between that and a modern car is astounding
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     Cocoa Hoto in real life (cocoa@nekosat.work)'s status on Wednesday, 22-Oct-2025 08:37:45 JST Cocoa Hoto in real life

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     @sickburnbro @monsterislandcolonizer @sj_zero my Toyota is like this, the cheap OBD2 readers will only find codes stored in the engine ECU

     to get every code in all the ECUs I had to buy a special OBD2 to USB cable and acquire a patched version of Toyota's Techstream software

     on the bright side I now have access to all kinds of cool diagnostics and settings

     ✙ dcc :pedomustdie: :phear_slackware: likes this.
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     Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 23-Oct-2025 01:18:33 JST Bread up, Bro

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     • ShovelTrouble
     @ShovelTrouble @PopulistRight even the mildly computerized stuff had baked in pretty well by the end of the 90s, early 2000s. Standarization on OBDII had solidified, and things weren't to complex; plenty of solid engine designs.
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     PopulistRight (populistright@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 23-Oct-2025 01:18:34 JST PopulistRight

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     @sickburnbro Get a pre 1980s car, and it is still pretty simple. Pre '75, even easier.
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     ShovelTrouble (shoveltrouble@pone.social)'s status on Thursday, 23-Oct-2025 01:18:34 JST ShovelTrouble

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     @PopulistRight @sickburnbro I'd love to get one of those more boxy cars or a reasonable sized pickup truck.

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     Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 23-Oct-2025 01:47:41 JST Bread up, Bro

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     • ShovelTrouble
     @PopulistRight @EvilSandmich @ShovelTrouble fuel injection in diesel has been around for a long time. The control of injection by computer and not mechanisms was what was new starting in the 80s.
     
     But yes, that kind of nonsense is why they passed laws about parts being available on cars for a given period.
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     PopulistRight (populistright@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 23-Oct-2025 01:47:42 JST PopulistRight

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     @EvilSandmich @sickburnbro @ShovelTrouble I had several carb-cars - no problem. I also had an injected diesel (80s), which was very reliable, and better on gas. Some had one chip in the distributor - so, just kept a spare chip in the glove-box.
     
     I always carried a spare water-pump, fuel-pump, starter, and generator - all those being crookedly-designed to break, to generate parts-revenue (post 50s). But, at least they were common and inexpensive.
     
     Friends with newer cars would get stung hard on a "new computer" costing thousands. Every part was custom to their particular model/year, so no 3rd party would make them (the Japs started that game). As a result, even their fuel pump cost more than all the wearable parts on my cars combined - and they had to drop the gas-tank just to get to it - LOL!!
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     EvilSandmich (evilsandmich@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 23-Oct-2025 01:47:43 JST EvilSandmich

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     • ShovelTrouble
     @sickburnbro @ShovelTrouble @PopulistRight Makes me think that people want to dump fuel injectors and go back to carburetors, as if they would accept a car with the reliability of a pull string lawn mower.
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     ShovelTrouble (shoveltrouble@pone.social)'s status on Thursday, 23-Oct-2025 01:51:27 JST ShovelTrouble

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     • PopulistRight

     @sickburnbro @PopulistRight I like features like seeing the KM of estimated driving range, but there was probably some sort of tipping point where unnecessary fragility and complexity was introduced.

     Bluetooth audio to hook my phone up can be done with an aftermarket kit.

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     Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 23-Oct-2025 01:51:27 JST Bread up, Bro

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     • ShovelTrouble
     @ShovelTrouble @PopulistRight well, all of it adds complexity, there now has to be a digital conversion somewhere in the line for what was once an analog connection to a float in the tank ( accompanied by float levels changing when the fuel sloshed enough on a low tank )
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     Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 23-Oct-2025 03:19:43 JST Bread up, Bro

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     • ShovelTrouble
     @PopulistRight @EvilSandmich @ShovelTrouble it's not *just( planned obsolesce though - when you can just change the part next year, you don't have to spend as much time thinking about it before you make it; AND - if you do make a mistake, you can just .. stop dealing with it next year! And so that, for a company view, makes the cars cheaper!
     
     But it of course totally fucks consumers over.
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     PopulistRight (populistright@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 23-Oct-2025 03:19:44 JST PopulistRight

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     @sickburnbro @EvilSandmich @ShovelTrouble It's not just availability of the part. For example, on a 70's GM or Ford, the same part will work in multiple models over a span of model-years - so 3rd parties could tool-up to make those parts, and sell them cheaper than GM/Ford - which also meant the GM/Ford part was sold cheaper (competition).
     
     The Japs started the game of making unique parts for their cars which did not span models/years, so there was a much smaller market-share available for a given part. The USA makers then copied this idea.
     
     All forms of "planned obsolescence" and similar should be illegal - from CPUs to auto-parts. It is evil - parasitic in nature. The purpose of the market-system is for us to get what we want, with profit as an incentive to get it made, and with better value being more popular = profitable. Products / business-models / practices that are contrary to this should be shut-down.
     
     With CPUs, the difference between an Intel I3/5/7/9, is how much of the functionality they intentionally-cripple in the "cheaper" CPUs - where the cost to engineer "crippled, but still works," means the "cheaper" ones are actually more expensive in R&D, with the same production-cost.