@phnt@coldacid@hakui He's not wrong, the blue LEDs are terrible. Red LEDs were the only kind available for a long time, and then the green ones started making their way into consumer electronics and they were sold as being easier on the eyes than the red ones. The blue ones were just sold with "It is a new color" because they didn't have any discernible advantages. Then they were obligatory for a few years because everyone else was using them, so your design would look dated.
That guy mainly seems to be complaining about light bulbs. CFLs sucked really bad (and were hazardous if they broke) so I hoarded incandescent bulbs until LED bulbs started being easy to get. design_schools.png
@p@coldacid@hakui He is correct in many regards with the LED light bulbs. They are made so cheaply that the electronics fry themselves into death (who would have guessed that regulating 230VAC into 10 <5V LEDs in series would produce a lot of heat. The cheap ones are literally e-waste tier.
I also agree with him that LED headlights are fucking retarded and blinding in the night, especially when coupled with the now modern "automatic local high-beam dimming" where the headlights stay on high-beams and only dim certain LEDs based on where the car computer thinks another car is (wrong almost every time or too slow).
RGB lights in computers are also rage-inducing for me unless they stay in some nice background color all the time (they almost never do).
@hakui@coldacid@phnt I'm fine with backlit LCD screens, but I don't hate blue LEDs per se, just their over-use as "This device is on" indicators.
> and as an extension no normalfag-friendly devices
I've changed my mind: we have to go blow up whatever horrifying company has a monopoly on the African mines that produce whatever is the rarest element in blue LEDs, or if there is a rare substance used in their manufacture. Someone has a monopoly on holes that this comes out of, the holes are probably in Africa, and if we blow up the company that owns them, then we can retvrn.
I also think the old "dark purple-blue on light blue" backlit monochrome LCDs are nice. (When I have some cash to burn, I think the e-ink monochrome displays look cool.)
@p@phnt@coldacid@hakui Old CRTs/LCDs I don't miss but the dedicated brightness/contrast buttons/sliders are one I do tend to miss, the OSDs are so annoying to navigate into (and sadly not all monitors do DDC).
> RGB lights in computers are also rage-inducing for me unless they stay in some nice background color all the time (they almost never do).
I hate them but have never attempted to actually use a computer that had that. I think the fruity light show on the motherboard is annoying but I just started putting the panel back on the side of the case.
@coldacid@hakui@phnt cc @jae Hey, you have a favorite archaic display technology or are you gonna be upset when we destroy all current-year OLEDs and retvrn to old LCD/amber CRT/orange plasma to keep the normies from using computers unless absolutely necessary?
@hakui@coldacid@phnt It is wonderful and I could legit sit and work at one of those right now (as long as it was acting as a serial terminal to talk to a real computer).
@lanodan@p@coldacid@hakui I do sort of miss old CRTs mostly because they had a character. They made nice noises, you could see them warm up, etc. Computers nowadays have no character, they are silent with zero feedback of what they do and just sit on your desk or lap.
I don't miss old color LCDs since those were universally garbage with bad contrast , ghosting and they now all have burned out backlights anyway.
>OSDs I'm thankful to have button only monitors and not those nipple navigation ones that are impossible to use.
They are a goddamn travesty but it is much cheaper to put four unlabeled buttons on the back of the screen for navigating a menu that is somehow slow as hell so people can try to guess what "gaming mode" and "enhanced mode" actually mean than it is to find a place to put a few sliders or knobs with obvious uses.
Only sucks if you're trying to play a game. It's actually charming when using the machine to do real things. (During the brief period where I was successfully nostalgia-baited into using `cool-retro-term`--and was trying to not pay attention to the fact that it was eating half a core even while sitting idle--I actually had bleed and burn-in cranked way up.)
@judgedread "Up", "down", "menu", "exit". I don't know how they'd manage to make you deal with one of those shitty menus without four of them. Maybe "up", "down", "yes". (The one I'm currently using, sometimes "menu" means "yes" and sometimes "up" means "yes".)
@p@phnt@coldacid@hakui Yeah that one I can understand for like cheap monitors, but I don't think I've seen any current monitor with dedicated buttons.
At least iiyama ones make it easy to switch inputs (and stay on an input that's off, hecking asus ones would just automatically switch to another one), and some are labelled properly although I wish it would be something you could feel with your fingers like braille as well.
> the computer is about to go full-monochrome as soon as I figure out who to blow up.
feel free to consider all systems except my own in-scope. i'll defend the castle with everything i got. and that includes tossing live scene-chix at you.
@AshChapelsGhost@p@coldacid@hakui 90% of the time you can configure/fully disable the mobo lighting in the BIOS. Asus calls it Aura (I think), MSI calls it Mystic and AssRock/Gigabyte also probably have some name for it.
Otherwise have fun installing bloatware to control stupid LEDs.
@p@phnt@coldacid@hakui A nice, 'breathing' blue is good. I would kill to be able to change the stupid RGB on my mobo, keyboard and mouse to just blue. (keyboard is an expensive job, so it makes up for the stupid rainbow shit. The mouse cost five dollars (my myoclonic seizures destroy mice, so I have to buy cheap), and the mobo was a gift, and I will use anything given to me.
But god, why this pride parade shit on my desktop?
@p Until I caved in and read the manual I thought there was no way to adjust the settings at all. The button is very hard to find, black on black and tucked away.
@judgedread It's a bad sign, like the industrial designer is not dogfooding, whoever had to make the button work probably wept thoughout the process, and there was no feedback up the chain. (And even this bullshit is still better than what we'll end up with when some manager at Shenzhen Xiangtianzhong Technology Co., Ltd., fires his designers and starts sending AI designs to the engineers.)
I will be sad if you have to squint. Anyway, we're blowing up the guy that owns the rare-earth mines, not existing equipment. (They are probably in Africa and they are probably owned by one company.)
> i felt it was more reasonable than say a jar of pickles with a very loose lid
I will definitely be sad if I get covered in vinegar instead of loose girls with self-esteem issues.
The point of the question was less to threaten your gear than to ask your thoughts on older displays that exceed the present year's displays' tolerability.
@gray@coldacid@hakui@lanodan@phnt I never owned one, but have been subjected to them. Takes a minute to get used to, but they're fine for seeing a screen full of text, and they look cool.
@AshChapelsGhost@phnt@coldacid@hakui The blue pierces; it's like a wavelength calculated to make it impossible to see the screen. For different reasons, I get the cheap mice ($10 Logitech USB), but they still always use red.
> But god, why this pride parade shit on my desktop?
I wonder if it's something like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudness_war , where manufacturers are willing to push a design that is eye-catching at the expense of long-term use.
@phnt@lanodan@p@coldacid@hakui >Computers nowadays have no character My computer's case gives it the character of Shadow the Hedgehog.
Also, if you're set on having startup noises, it's still possible to add internal floppy disk drives to modern computers, but it's a bit of an annoyance at the same time. I prefer to just keep a system from each nebulously-defined era, based on my needs. I like to mess around with Windows 3 and Windows 95, making icons, UI tweaks, and other stuff, so I have a 486 with Windows 3.11, a Pentium 1 system running Win95, my first computer, an AMD K6-2 running Win98SE, and my previous computer running Win7, though in recent years, I have used those older systems far less than I did in say, 2018.
> The point of the question was less to threaten your gear than to ask your thoughts on older displays that exceed the present year's displays' tolerability.
i didn't see a question, but now that i do. i think that older displays still properly displaying are a testament to solid engineering. when i have a 15yo crt that still hums along yet i'm replacing an led every 3 years. it's a smell
@jae@coldacid@hakui@phnt This Model 100 is from 1983 and if the serial port were faster (apparently Linux is not any good at flow control nowadays), I'd be using the thing all damn day.
@judgedread They managed to get a grip on the market by making the best shit. That is not how China got its grip on the market. long_bacon_shenzhen.png
@p@gray@phnt@coldacid@hakui Reminds me of why I hate distros where the packages automatically enables or even restarts services. (And why I typically mask installing stuff into /etc/cron.*)
@lanodan@coldacid@gray@hakui@phnt Yeah, that stuff's super annoying. The stupid "man page" triggers in Debian, I forget what you have to do to stop them but it is super annoying to do. "Install these 80 packages. After each of them, make sure you reindex the man pages instead of doing that once at the end. In fact, don't do anything in parallel, either: instead of downloading all of them and installing them as they come in, download, then install, then run a bunch of triggers, then download the next one."
CRUX just runs `ldconfig`. It doesn't even rebuild the font cache unless you go out of your way to run the post-install script.
@fluffy@judgedread Oh, yeah, I mean, I used their shit in the 80s. This Model 100 that cannot be killed, Tandy contracted with NEC for it, it was sold (with slight modifications) locally as the PC-8201. NES still works great, but very few Ataris from the same time are still operable.
US manufacturers had been shoveling horseshit into the market at the time. GE relegated itself to knockoff status for a couple of decades. Their response to the Japanese market dominance in the 80s was to shit on Japan instead of fixing their products.
You crack open a machine from the 80s or 90s and you'll see chips made in the US, Germany, Japan. Crack open a current-year machine, though, and if there's a chip that wasn't made in China, it was probably made in Vietnam or Taiwan. The government, for whatever reason, is still actively discouraging chipfab from happening here, although they do pay lipservice to it occasionally by giving kickbacks to Intel (which has an incestuous relationship with the government that is as strong and as dirty as Google/Microsoft/Oracle). boombox.jpg famicom_with_disk.jpg hitbit.jpg hitbit2.jpg jvccamera.jpg mastersystem.png sharpx1-2.jpg
@mischievoustomato@gray@phnt@p@coldacid@hakui I think auto-restart shouldn't happen because it can be disruptive (at least I don't think they restart stuff like dbus, whole system would become unusable) and because if you get in the mindset of auto-restart it also pulls in the need to update configuration during packages updates as otherwise the restart would fail. Debian is particularly horrible for this, since it's all synchronous it blocks all other updates, so on release upgrade it's a massive waste of time, and of course the prompt is probably still unable to do a diff + interactive merge.
@lanodan@gray@phnt@p@coldacid@hakui well, good points actually. In general when I upgrade stuff, I reboot, since I fear stuff not working right. I'm running gentoo with gnome and systemd, and so far I haven't had issues yet with regards to upgrades.
@p@gray@phnt@lanodan@coldacid@hakui haha, that happened to me. Switched to the gentoo-kernel package, built it. Rebooted, turns out it doesn't get the systemd support by default, had to recompile it.
@mischievoustomato@coldacid@gray@hakui@lanodan@phnt Ha, it happened to my ex. I told her if she wanted to run Ubuntu that she was on her own and it was mostly fine until we hit a power-outage and her machine wouldn't come up any more. The Ubuntu installer gave her a 512MB /boot and its auto-updater drops kernels into /boot and then never deletes them; /boot filled up and the new kernels couldn't be installed but Ubuntu still updated the bootloader (and the only option was the latest kernel instead of something sensible like one menu entry per installed kernel).
@lanodan@gray@p@coldacid@hakui Debian is really annoying about this. Install a package, have no chance to configure it properly, it's already running with defaults.
@p@jae@phnt@coldacid@hakui RLCD (Reflective Liquid Crystal Display) plus a reddish frontlight would be easy on the eyes, but that kind of display is rare. I've only seen it on tablets. Maybe it's a lot more expensive to produce compared to OLED?
@p@judgedread if i were running a chip fab i'd get paid by the government too. not only is it a strategic resource but it's also a prestigious jobs program. those guys are paying fucking corn farmers, i had better get paid and paid well
@fluffy@judgedread The chips in the C64 were MOSFETs designed in the US using a process invented in the US and made in Pennsylvania; things were different. Domestic espionage was not embedded in the chips.
Anyway, I'm not talking incentives; blaming Intel or not is less relevant than that the government is disincentivizing chip fabrication, and although there is one exception, that exception is due to a special relationship.
@berkberkman@p@coldacid@hakui@jae@phnt a lot of "fully rugged" machines are daylight readable. the main tech used there is 1. a lot of nits, we're talking 5x an ipad which is already about double as bright as your generic dell notebook; and 2. various anti-glare screen coatings.
as a bonus, you don't need a flashlight anymore since you can just turn up your screen brightness and it's like a flood light got turned on in your room
@p 'Made in Japan' as the mark of garbage was a trope in the 1950s. Sony transistor radios conclusively debunked that in the public mind in the early 1960s, and their video products made Japan synonymous with miniaturization and high quality by 1970.
It's possible the 'Japan=crap' trope was never anything more than postwar prejudice.
@judgedread Seems that way; craftsmanship is highly valued. But it's always possible that I missed something due to not having been alive yet; I miss a lot of stuff even now that I am alive.
@p There was a brief period after WWII when Japan was in ruins and they manufactured extremely cheap products made from literal scrap metal. Of course those tin toys are now highly prized collectibles, but at the time they were considered low class.
Sony was one of the first Japanese companies to break out of that image because they wisely licensed the transistor and put out the first tiny portable radio. With that as a prototype they went on to manufacture excellent portable TV sets, as well as high quality standard sets. My Sony TVs were so much better than the US competition it wasn't even a contest. Better image stability, clarity, brightness. They didn't even have automatic fine tuning and still got better reception.
> There was a brief period after WWII when Japan was in ruins and they manufactured extremely cheap products made from literal scrap metal.
Ah, I didn't know about this. I guess if you have a lot of wartime factories but no longer have control over all of the mines in Manchuria, this kind of thing is a likely result.
> My Sony TVs were so much better than the US competition it wasn't even a contest.
Yeah, they're still coveted; I remember how jazzed people were about the Trinitron. Yaesu is still practically synonymous with radio gear.
@Leyonhjelm@judgedread A few years after she hired the spy as her driver, she ended up on the judiciary, then intelligence, then chair of intelligence; she insisted in an interview that she must have been Chinese in a past life. Whatever decisions got made regarding China while she was chair of the intelligence committee (January 2009 to January 2015) are probably really interesting.
> Following her 2012 vote to extend the Patriot Act and the FISA provisions,[223] and after the 2013 mass surveillance disclosures involving the National Security Agency (NSA), Feinstein promoted and supported measures to continue the information collection programs
> After the 2016 FBI–Apple encryption dispute, Feinstein and Richard Burr sponsored a bill that would likely have criminalized all forms of strong encryption in electronic communication between citizens.