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Yesterday the question arose of: "is anything actually happening, or is this all bullshit?"
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2025/06/27/us/ice-...
So this is some data - but again with what we had yesterday: what does "criminal prosecution" or "ice arrest" actually mean in practice?
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@s2208 if the NYT is crying and has made an interactive map - that means something. Them crying in an op-ed maybe not.
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If the NYT is crying about it, then something’s happening
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@Jewpacabra as I've said before the real test is do ordinary people feel like it is their country. Do you hear multiple foreign languages, multiple times a day? That's a great way to judge "what country am I in?"
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@sickburnbro For years they were telling us things were cheaper than they ever were and the economy was booming while we were all hurting.
I still see brownoids openly walking the streets. It may be less out in the open, but they’re still here.
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@UnityOstara @s2208 The only pogrom .. YET
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@sickburnbro @s2208 The only pogram to happen in America was in NYC. Black on jew.
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@sickburnbro Full article:
https://archive.is/z0Ptc
Very good and interesting data, thanks for posting this.
1.2k/day = 1.7 Million in 4 years
For comparison: conservative (as in low) estimates say there are 12M illegals in the US currently.
Former illegals who gained citizenship I found a figure of 2M
Anchor babies: 5M
I'll look for more solid numbers and post them if I find any.
Steven Miller's target of 3k/day = 4.3M deported by end of term.
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@WandererUber right, and my assertation is that this situation is not a linear term. Either the message goes out that it's not a free-for-all and lots of people self deport, or the country is lost, period.
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@WandererUber Yes, and for ICE to be like this permanently, the culture must change - and for the culture to change - there must be a very noticeable difference between a US with 100 million illegals and how it is without them.
My assertation is that there will be. I think even having 10 million out will be enough of a difference that people will notice, even if not in obvious ways.
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@sickburnbro >Either the message goes out that it's not a free-for-all
Agreed. For that, ICE would have to act like this permanently, not just until Trump leaves office. Otherwise a lot of self-deportees will simply return. A large percentage are seasonal parasites iirc. They leave for Mexico once or twice a year when it suits them.
And another thing is flying the Haitians (and whatever else they dredged up and slotted into housing in Ohio) back home otherwise the demographics are fucked even with way fewer illegals.
Let's see if this trend holds and they cry about this data a month from now still.
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@sylus @WandererUber you are certainly partially correct, people need to understand that the entire global south wants to move to America and unless the answer is a firm "no", America will turn into a clone of a central american shithole
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@sickburnbro @WandererUber None of this will change without a total revolution. 100M people, with 5-10M more coming every year. deporting 300k/year is like spooning water overboard the Titanic.
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@sylus @WandererUber "policy" is just a mirage created to deflect responsibility.
Saying "trump is going to pass a huge amnesty like Reagan" is either blackpilling or intentionally misreading the situation.
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@sickburnbro @WandererUber It's policy. A majority of Americans already want it to stop and to remove the ones here. We can say no all we want, and government policy will not change. Trump was elected twice almost entirely on this desire. This isn't going to happen under the current regime status quo. These people don't have the ability or money to come here without the NGOs and government policy that facilitates their arrival. Trump is going to pass a huge amnesty like Reagan did.
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@sylus @WandererUber Your inability to answer the question is noted.
You can return to your blackpilling alone.
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@sickburnbro @WandererUber Lmao. They don't, and they won't. Both parties fully support mass migration. You saw what they did to Jeff Sessions when he actually tried to do something about it. You have to separate rhetoric from policy. They will say they oppose immigration because it's a popular opinion, it will never happen though. The republican party has been the party of destroying labor with migration since its inception. The government is bought and paid for, and all politicians are vetted long before they get to Washington. You'll never get anyone through who wants to deal with the problem.
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@sickburnbro @WandererUber It is a prediction which will come true, because that's how these things work. It's not a black pill for me, because I'm not a Trump guy, precisely because I know what he's doing. It absolutely is policy. There is a massive network of NGOs funded by shit like USAID which facilitates mass migration. Along with dozens of think tanks and media groups which push policy pieces supporting the idea that the country needs these people. If the government wanted it to stop, they could stop it tomorrow using existing law. How do you think a migrant from some shithole has enough money for a plane ticket to the US? How do they get a place to live, welfare or a job? How do they even know they can come here, contrary to what US immigration law says on paper? These people have no agency, the government brings them here on purpose. They even study where they think is the "best" place for them to go, and they fly them all over the country. That's how you get 20k Haitians overnight in some rural town no one's ever heard of.
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@sylus @WandererUber I don't think you know "how things work", I think you've seen a little bit of how things work and made a lot of assumptions.
Here is a question for you: "What happens if 60% of the government wants it to stop?"
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@sylus @WandererUber It's absolutely very difficult to stop, but saying "it will take a revolution" is used as an excuse to do nothing.
It depends on who is the 60% and who is the 40% - if all the junior staffers want a change, but the senior staffers and the judges and congress don't, well there will be no change.
"The will of the people" doesn't mean much and democracy, like many other forms of government is easy to subvert.
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@sickburnbro @WandererUber Fair. What happens when 60% of the government wants it to stop? Then it would stop. My point is that it is currently impossible to occur without a revolution. In your opinion, what would it take to make 60% of the government move against immigration? It's certainly not the will of the people, as public opinion has been behind that for years, and any politician that takes the anti immigration position becomes very popular. So why do you think they won't just take the popular position?
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@Charles_in_Charge @KarlDahl you could certainly calculate a baseline, but the problem is that there is no easy reference of "is this government agency doing free handouts to illegals" - but the answer is probably "yes"
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@sickburnbro I'm aware of a half dozen people near me who know someone who has been deported in the last three months, or turned around at immigration for having an expired visa or "status"
I live in an area with a large immigrant population and things are definitely happening. Where this really moves the needle is that there are people who won't come here through their family networks, or immigrants who've been here for 30 years who are leaving to retire in their home countries because there is no longer a stream of relatives who come on a tourist visa, hand over their passport and work in their restaurants
The Asians are particularly afraid because of the stories of people being dumped in Sudan or wherever because their home countries don't want them. If the BBB passes and the "no more free money from the SBA and so on for immigrants" provision goes into effect, expect massive self-removals ( ❤️❤️❤️❤️ this is my issue)
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@KarlDahl @sickburnbro I don't know how you could calculate a hard, reliable number, but the saving to government spending should be significant. EBT, cash aid, housing aid, healthcare spending, etc. Then there's the reduced stress on housing, the increase in actual American citizens being hired and increased wages, fewer illegals clogging up the prison, reduced numbers of car crashes where the at fault driver doesn't have insurance, reduced gang activity, etc.
Musk is pissed because the BBB doesn't outright cut enough spending, but he may be missing the savings that comes with a radical reduction in illegals.
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@sickburnbro @sylus blackpilling is understandable when one side says "Trump will deport 150 million people" and the actual policy is raising deportations to 1.2k/day after months. That's nowhere close to stopping White Genocide. And then Trump keeps talking about exceptions constantly, wants to build cheap housing in the national parks, etc.
It's understandable why people are skeptical, to say the least
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@WandererUber @sylus I've never said that though - I've said there ARE 150 million here.
I've said, and you can search it, I don't think he'll even get a million deported.
Everyone wants changes fucking tomorrow when it took 80 years of people being faggots to get here.
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@Quentel @TeaTootler @WandererUber @sylus Yes, everyone knows you're a retard. Did you have anything new to say?
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@WandererUber @sickburnbro @sylus he literally put a jew in charge or deportations, guess how that's going to go...
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@TeaTootler @WandererUber @sickburnbro @sylus
You forgot to insert a smirky 'what-if' scenario into your facts-based position. Are you trying to cheat? Let's consult an SBB post to see how online influence is done.
Warning: paraphrased, mega-brained, consoomer-grade SBB hot-take incoming.
> durpa-derp... What if elected officials were to oppose the invasion with a 60% majority? That'd really put them demonrats in their place. No blackpilling allowed.
:soyjak:
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@WandererUber @sylus yup, what do you think I'm saying here?
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@sickburnbro @sylus ???
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@sickburnbro @sylus That you believe Trump will get rid of these people, since you said others who don't think that are "blackpilling" and stuff.
Would be a mighty big blackpill from yourself if you believed
1. 150 million illegals are in the country
2. Trump won't deport more than one million
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@WandererUber @sylus as they have said, their goal is to induce people to leave.
As you've mentioned, it's all about if those illegals think they need to hide out for a few months until the dragnet is over, or if they really believe this isn't long term viable to them.
The big show they are doing for actually removing people is an attempt to get them to feel like it isn't worth playing the game.
As I've also mentioned before, I think even 10 million gone would provide a noticeable relief
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@PopulistRight @KarlDahl @sickburnbro Maybe, but a significant portion of MAGA and the true right are considerably more tuned into politics than those in previous years, and they are aware that Trump has been a bit lackluster on the deportation numbers. Steven Miller has been on record demanding much higher numbers and telling ICE to go to Home Depot and Lowes.
That "Trump was a hardcore mass deporter" line will work on the leftists, but I think a great many of those on the right will be aware that the problem is that Trump didn't deport nearly enough.
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@occasionalbangers @PopulistRight @KarlDahl well, to the left he is - because anything but full throated love of illegals is "hardcore" to them. But it shows that freaking out over everything is a power move if no-one else is doing it
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@KarlDahl @sickburnbro This is where, hysterically, the leftist hyperbole surrounding Trump is to our advantage. Trump usually cucks on these matters, but the leftist media makes him out to be some sort of mass-murdering psycho that's already killed millions. That helps scare away some of the foreigners that Trump should have already deported.
A lot of guys on here seem to miss this. Trump's a jewish cock-sucking faggot, but in spite of himself he is ever so slightly moving things in the right direction. This has knock-on effects in the future and makes an actual pro-White leader more likely later on.
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@occasionalbangers @KarlDahl @sickburnbro If most illegals stay - and they will, because they can keep their jobs, because Trump won't felony-bust their bosses - then most Americans will stay working-poor - then, it will be...
> "See, we had a hardcore mass-deporting POTUS, and it didn't make any difference.
... when in reality, Trump kept 99% of illegals here, by NOT felony-busting their bosses, and THAT is why most working-Americans remained "hand to mouth" poor.
Bread up, Bro
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