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    Tim Chambers (tchambers@indieweb.social)'s status on Thursday, 19-Jun-2025 00:42:58 JST Tim Chambers Tim Chambers

    The Seven Deadly UX Sins of the Fediverse Web Experience (To Fix): https://www.timothychambers.net/2025/06/18/113327.html

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      The Seven Deadly UX Sins of the Fediverse Web Experience (To Fix)
      So, confession time: I was recently helping a new client get set up on the Fediverse—guiding them through their first steps into our glorious decentralized galaxy. And seeing it all again through fresh eyes? Reader, it was brutal. So much of what should be table stakes for any social media UX in the year of our Lord 2025 still is missing or deeply broken still. I know progress has been made and a good fight, fought.
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      Tim Chambers (tchambers@indieweb.social)'s status on Thursday, 19-Jun-2025 00:53:15 JST Tim Chambers Tim Chambers
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      Very up for any or all notes. And part 2 will be constructive and pratical fixes that can work not just near term, most can be done NOW.

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      Tim Chambers (tchambers@indieweb.social)'s status on Thursday, 19-Jun-2025 01:49:14 JST Tim Chambers Tim Chambers
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      @mackuba in the works!

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      Kuba Suder • @mackuba.eu on 🦋 (mackuba@martianbase.net)'s status on Thursday, 19-Jun-2025 01:49:15 JST Kuba Suder • @mackuba.eu on 🦋 Kuba Suder • @mackuba.eu on 🦋
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      @tchambers Looking forward to the Bluesky version :]

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      Richard MacManus (ricmac@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 19-Jun-2025 03:03:55 JST Richard MacManus Richard MacManus
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      @tchambers @mastodonmigration @laurenshof @cheeaun @rolle @scottjenson @zeldman Great stuff, Tim! I know progress is being made eg on search, but I like when the community’s leaders (like yourself) give these issues some air and tough love.

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      Tim Chambers (tchambers@indieweb.social)'s status on Thursday, 19-Jun-2025 03:04:42 JST Tim Chambers Tim Chambers
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      @ricmac @mastodonmigration @laurenshof @cheeaun @rolle @scottjenson @zeldman Thanks so much for the kind review, Richard, working on Part 2 now - with constructive near and mid-term fixes!

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      Tim Chambers (tchambers@indieweb.social)'s status on Thursday, 19-Jun-2025 03:53:12 JST Tim Chambers Tim Chambers
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      @jredlund @mastodonmigration @laurenshof @fediversenews @cheeaun @rolle @scottjenson

      I'd say some friction can be a positive thing to a sytem. It SHOULD be hard to do bad things, or to spread potentially spam or toxic content, etc. Intentional friction or "circuit breakers" at those points may solve problems or prevent problems for users.

      What I don't think helps anyone is things that become needless UX friction to helping good things happen that delight and bring benifits to users.

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      Guitarsophist (jredlund@social.linux.pizza)'s status on Thursday, 19-Jun-2025 03:53:13 JST Guitarsophist Guitarsophist
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      @tchambers @mastodonmigration @laurenshof @fediversenews @cheeaun @rolle @scottjenson I joined Mastodon in late 2022, I think it was when Elon bought Twitter. I found a list of servers, some of which were closed to new users because of the mass migration. I ended up applying to social.linux.pizza because I was running Linux Mint and it was open. I was accepted, then I started figuring out how to work it. After a while, I started using Phanpy.

      Some of the things you say are defects or omissions might actually be features. I have been using computers for a long time, though I am not professionally involved with them. My first online experiences were on the GEnie BBS. I also don't use any of the typical social media. I had a Twitter account (no longer), but I only used it to follow the Ukraine war. I didn't mind having to figure out Mastodon. It meant that the users had to have a certain level of commitment and curiosity. I think it cuts down on the trolling and blathering. The necessary information is out there, if you look for it.

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      My camera shoots fascists (mikal@sfba.social)'s status on Thursday, 19-Jun-2025 03:53:33 JST My camera shoots fascists My camera shoots fascists
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      @tchambers

      I look forward to part 2. In the meantime, I have two comments that someone might find useful.

      First is that I was part of the November 2022 fuck Elon migration. That was before ExTwitter locked down their API, so someone had written a little bot that would search your follows there for anyone who had a fediverse handle in their profile (the odd double-@ format, I'm guessing). You could download that as a .CSV and upload it to Mastodon and have an instant large group of familiar people to follow.

      Very different than starting from scratch or trying to guess what someone's handle might be and finding them here, even if you know they are in fact here.

      I think that's huge for many people because unless you join a very active location-based or interest-based server, it'll feel really lonely for quite a while.

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      Tim Chambers (tchambers@indieweb.social)'s status on Thursday, 19-Jun-2025 03:55:30 JST Tim Chambers Tim Chambers
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      @Mikal Love the very descriptive phrase of the "fuck elon migration." And agree there were two different (at least two) tools that did what you say, and yes, those deeply helped....Am about 3/4th done with my second article and will add that bit of tech history to it. Thanks!

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      zedaardv (zedaardv@mastodon.world)'s status on Thursday, 19-Jun-2025 03:55:42 JST zedaardv zedaardv
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      @tchambers @mastodonmigration @laurenshof @cheeaun @rolle @scottjenson @zeldman I joined up a bout 2 years ago, had no idea about a server, and still really don't.
      I recognized my running in to most of the sins.
      I like it here, but still feel like a lurker.

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      Tim Chambers (tchambers@indieweb.social)'s status on Thursday, 19-Jun-2025 03:56:30 JST Tim Chambers Tim Chambers
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      @zedaardv @mastodonmigration @laurenshof @cheeaun @rolle @scottjenson @zeldman Glad you are here. And if those infuriate you, it's not you. It's the UX isues to blame and in part two will talk about fixes.

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      My camera shoots fascists (mikal@sfba.social)'s status on Thursday, 19-Jun-2025 03:58:38 JST My camera shoots fascists My camera shoots fascists
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      @tchambers

      You know what's so cool about the fediverse?

      *Someone built those tools and gave them away for free!*

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      Tim Chambers (tchambers@indieweb.social)'s status on Thursday, 19-Jun-2025 03:58:43 JST Tim Chambers Tim Chambers
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      @Mikal Amen.

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      Tim Chambers (tchambers@indieweb.social)'s status on Thursday, 19-Jun-2025 04:42:11 JST Tim Chambers Tim Chambers
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      @mastodonmigration @laurenshof @cheeaun @rolle @scottjenson @zeldman

      Thank you all for the constructive comments and boosts!

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      Tim Zee (ilust606@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 19-Jun-2025 05:06:05 JST Tim Zee Tim Zee
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      @tchambers @mastodonmigration @laurenshof @cheeaun @rolle @scottjenson @zeldman
      Nicely articulated. These matters need to be addressed for the Fediverse to become more friendly to new users.
      I spent almost a week sporadically trying to figure out "instances" here before getting an account.

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      Tim Chambers (tchambers@indieweb.social)'s status on Thursday, 19-Jun-2025 05:06:55 JST Tim Chambers Tim Chambers
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      @ilust606 @mastodonmigration @laurenshof @cheeaun @rolle @scottjenson @zeldman Thank you for that review, and for your personal story on this... The original web was rife with UX issues too, but time for the Open Social web to fix ours. More on that in the next article....

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      My camera shoots fascists (mikal@sfba.social)'s status on Thursday, 19-Jun-2025 05:21:13 JST My camera shoots fascists My camera shoots fascists
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      @tchambers

      lol This is what I see at the bottom of this thread. When I click the "see more" link, I see the exact same set of comments.
      🤷♂️ lolsob

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      Tim Chambers (tchambers@indieweb.social)'s status on Thursday, 19-Jun-2025 05:21:13 JST Tim Chambers Tim Chambers
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      @Mikal EXACTLY!

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      Mastodon Migration (mastodonmigration@mastodon.online)'s status on Thursday, 19-Jun-2025 05:48:22 JST Mastodon Migration Mastodon Migration
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      @tchambers @zedaardv @laurenshof @cheeaun @rolle @scottjenson @zeldman

      Looking forward to your ideas on how to improve things. Have you considered taking a page from role playing computer games. When you start a game you arrive on "newbie island" when you walk through a few simple tasks that familiarize you with the UI and your various options. But pretty soon you have to (get to!) move off into the real game equipt with some knowledge, the choices you've made, and a modicum of skill.

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      Tim Chambers (tchambers@indieweb.social)'s status on Thursday, 19-Jun-2025 05:49:23 JST Tim Chambers Tim Chambers
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      @mastodonmigration @zedaardv @laurenshof @cheeaun @rolle @scottjenson @zeldman Yes! I had a different analogy for the same things, but I like yours better! Will use that and credit you!

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      Renaud Chaput (renchap@oisaur.com)'s status on Thursday, 19-Jun-2025 08:00:23 JST Renaud Chaput Renaud Chaput
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      @tchambers very clear list and agreee on all of them. I hope most of those will be fixed on Mastodon by the end of the year (at least that’s the plan).

      #3 is still one that I don’t have many doable ideas on how to fix properly 😞

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      Tim Chambers (tchambers@indieweb.social)'s status on Thursday, 19-Jun-2025 08:02:12 JST Tim Chambers Tim Chambers
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      @renchap Thank you @renchap - and that is great news!

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      Tim Chambers (tchambers@indieweb.social)'s status on Thursday, 19-Jun-2025 12:12:19 JST Tim Chambers Tim Chambers
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      @grishka @mastodonmigration @laurenshof @cheeaun @rolle @scottjenson @zeldman Great example. Is there a live site I should go look at for the UX experience of it?

      https://github.com/grishka/Smithereen

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      Gregory (grishka@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 19-Jun-2025 12:12:20 JST Gregory Gregory
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      @tchambers @mastodonmigration @laurenshof @cheeaun @rolle @scottjenson @zeldman

      Smithereen fixes the DM UX thing by actually treating direct messages as something entirely separate from posts. Different UIs, dedicated inbox and outbox pages, a button in each profile to send a message, addressing in a separate field like in an email client instead of mentions. I don't even allow setting per-post visibility on my side (but I do store and enforce it for incoming posts/comments)

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      Renaud Chaput (renchap@oisaur.com)'s status on Thursday, 19-Jun-2025 15:38:11 JST Renaud Chaput Renaud Chaput
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      @dale_price if it seems simple and it’s not done, usually there is more complexity.

      See https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/pull/31101 for an attempt and more context.

      We would like to fix it otherwise, by having the authoring software mark a link as being a link to a specific AP object so when displaying the status you can know it right away and do what is correct.

      @tchambers

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        Proof-of-concept: Open status links in-app if possible by oneiros · Pull Request #31101 · mastodon/mastodon
        This is a sketch for an alternative approach to #26917 The goal is to mimick the behavior of native apps in our web UI and not open links in a new tab/window if we can display them "in-app&quo...
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      Dale Price (dale_price@mastodon.online)'s status on Thursday, 19-Jun-2025 15:38:12 JST Dale Price Dale Price
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      @renchap @tchambers I don’t think there’s one answer, but a big step would be to stop sending web users to unfamiliar servers in the first place. When I’m using my own server’s web interface, links to content on other servers need to be handled in the web interface I’m already using instead of linking directly to the other server.

      https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/issues/22673

      Maybe there’s some difficulty I’m not aware of, but somehow most native app clients manage to do this better than the masto web interface.

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      Scott Jenson (scottjenson@social.coop)'s status on Thursday, 19-Jun-2025 15:39:41 JST Scott Jenson Scott Jenson
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      @colo_lee @tchambers

      That seems a bit harsh. it's not like these decisions were made to be bad on purpose. What so many people don't appreciate is that federation is hard!

      There are deep api fixes coming that will address many of these issues. There is a good reason BlueSky is still a single server...

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      Lee from Colorado (colo_lee@mstdn.social)'s status on Thursday, 19-Jun-2025 15:39:43 JST Lee from Colorado Lee from Colorado
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      @tchambers
      This is spot on.
      I'd like to trust the team that got all of this wrong to fix it. But, that seems unlikely.
      So, it seems like the solution you used, to manually help new people is what we're left with.

      @mastodonmigration @laurenshof @cheeaun @rolle @scottjenson @zeldman

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      Renaud Chaput (renchap@oisaur.com)'s status on Thursday, 19-Jun-2025 15:43:32 JST Renaud Chaput Renaud Chaput
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      @j12t I don’t think so because you need to have RPs list all IdP they support. That work with a few big actors, not the Fediverse.

      Custom protocols handlers are probably a better solution, like fedi:// and the browser asks you what you want to open it with

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      Johannes Ernst (j12t@j12t.social)'s status on Thursday, 19-Jun-2025 15:43:47 JST Johannes Ernst Johannes Ernst
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      @renchap Does FedCM help?

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      LFpete (lfpete@mas.to)'s status on Thursday, 19-Jun-2025 19:48:20 JST LFpete LFpete
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      @tchambers

      I see what you mean: I couldn't access the full thread of comments from the reply that you boosted.

      About Sin No. 1, picking an instance in 2022 was quite puzzling, as I didn't want to intrude anywhere or step on anyone's toes. At that time, there was a strong attitude of "we don't want intruders." Maybe that general attitude has changed now?

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      Tim Chambers (tchambers@indieweb.social)'s status on Thursday, 19-Jun-2025 20:31:10 JST Tim Chambers Tim Chambers
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      @TheVoidTLMB Thanks! Will fix!

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      The Void ザ・ヴォイド (thevoidtlmb@social.vivaldi.net)'s status on Thursday, 19-Jun-2025 20:31:11 JST The Void ザ・ヴォイド The Void ザ・ヴォイド
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      @tchambers a) "Just you and The Void." Hey, I'm doing my best! b) Typo: "These fixed don’t require"--> fixe*S* c) Good ranting.

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      Tim Chambers (tchambers@indieweb.social)'s status on Thursday, 19-Jun-2025 23:18:01 JST Tim Chambers Tim Chambers
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      @mike @mastodonmigration @laurenshof @cheeaun @rolle @scottjenson @zeldman

      Hmmmm. I think the Sins I list here are not as easily fixed as you suggest. And are fediverse wide (at least across many different fediverse offerings) -- will write up some fixes I do think will work in my next article.

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      Mike Fraser :Jets: :flag: (mike@thecanadian.social)'s status on Thursday, 19-Jun-2025 23:18:02 JST Mike Fraser :Jets: :flag: Mike Fraser :Jets: :flag:
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      @tchambers @mastodonmigration @laurenshof @cheeaun @rolle @scottjenson @zeldman Mastodon was always sold to the end user as the community when its actually just the software that can run a community. The term join Mastodon is fundamentally flawed, it's like saying join the world wide web instead of saying go to my web site. The emphasis should be building great communities that just happen to interooerate with each other. That shift in perception addressees a few of the great sins (def not all)

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      Tim Chambers (tchambers@indieweb.social)'s status on Thursday, 19-Jun-2025 23:22:21 JST Tim Chambers Tim Chambers
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      @renwillis @mike @mastodonmigration @laurenshof @cheeaun @rolle @scottjenson @zeldman

      I only WISH I were too young to remember, but love your analogy.

      Yep Web 1.0 had a ton of such sins like this. And that the open web worked those out gives me great hope that the open social web can too, and faster than before to boot!

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      ren (is fairy eyelashes) 🎶🌈 (renwillis@mstdn.social)'s status on Thursday, 19-Jun-2025 23:22:23 JST ren (is fairy eyelashes) 🎶🌈 ren (is fairy eyelashes) 🎶🌈
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      @mike @tchambers @mastodonmigration @laurenshof @cheeaun @rolle @scottjenson @zeldman You may be too young to remember, but we absolutely had to “join” the World Wide Web! Your internet provider was capital D Decision at one point. Now it’s more like setting up your electric and water bill. lol.

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      Scott Jenson (scottjenson@social.coop)'s status on Friday, 20-Jun-2025 03:07:11 JST Scott Jenson Scott Jenson
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      @tchambers
      I'm a little more hopeful, there are hard and easy problems on your list. All with fixes on our roadmap.

      The "can't see all replies" is a deeply hard federation problem but we have an incoming fix for that!

      On the other side, Improving DMs is something that requires no change to the API and can be easily done in the client. I'm working on that right now.

      I see significant improvement in your "sins" over the next year.

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      Tim Chambers (tchambers@indieweb.social)'s status on Friday, 20-Jun-2025 03:07:36 JST Tim Chambers Tim Chambers
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      @scottjenson ✊ Thank you for all you are doing in this regard!

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      Tim Chambers (tchambers@indieweb.social)'s status on Friday, 20-Jun-2025 03:08:36 JST Tim Chambers Tim Chambers
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      @scottjenson One early spoiler from my next article as you are working on DM's now. Look at how http://phanpy.social does it.

      <chefskiss.gif>

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      Paul Chambers🚧 (paul@oldfriends.live)'s status on Friday, 20-Jun-2025 03:13:48 JST Paul Chambers🚧 Paul Chambers🚧
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      @Mikal The #Fediverse "been built by and for users and not fashy billionaires, it requires more direct participation, more tolerance for all the rough edges" True, true.

      I agree with everything in the article, https://www.timothychambers.net/2025/06/18/113327.html, and many of the comments, but that phrase can't be stressed enough.

      Would also like to mention, regarding the article by @tchambers, of all the critiques of the Fediverse, Mastodon, etc, it's nice to see one coming from love instead of a tech journalist that is not willing to understand, at this point of development, the Fediverse, esp Mastodon, has "been built by and for users and not fashy billionaires, it requires more direct participation, more tolerance for all the rough edges"

      I think that is why the community is taking this critique to heart in the comments.

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        The Seven Deadly UX Sins of the Fediverse Web Experience (To Fix)
        So, confession time: I was recently helping a new client get set up on the Fediverse—guiding them through their first steps into our glorious decentralized galaxy. And seeing it all again through fresh eyes? Reader, it was brutal. So much of what should be table stakes for any social media UX in the year of our Lord 2025 still is missing or deeply broken still. I know progress has been made and a good fight, fought.
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      My camera shoots fascists (mikal@sfba.social)'s status on Friday, 20-Jun-2025 03:13:49 JST My camera shoots fascists My camera shoots fascists
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      @tchambers

      The way I explain the fediverse is to compare it to virtually any non-prepackaged social relationship.

      Want to try a worker-owned business? A communal household? Co-housing community? Nonmonogamy or other non-traditional romance or relationship forms? CSA or other direct farm-to-consumer food production? Any organization or group that runs by consensus?

      Virtually all of my lefty friends have some experience with one or more of these things, so they understand that any time you step outside of the frictionless, pre-made capitalist box to create the life you want, it will be more difficult and often awkward, time consuming and confusing. And probably require a bunch of meetings. But maybe worth it in the end.

      That's how I explain the fediverse. Because it's been built by and for users and not fashy billionaires, it requires more direct participation, more tolerance for all the rough edges, longer to make changes and improvements. They usually get that, even if they ultimately decide, "nah."

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      Great writeup of the Original Sina, Tim! And behind these ones on the list is a long list of the Thousand Papercuts, from misplacing mentions at start of the reply body text (when a perfectly good mention field exists in the protocol) to inability to remember the readers' position in their (reverse chron and random) timeline. The papercuts could be solved by the client, but increase friction all the same.
      @tchambers

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      @osma Thank you!

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      Murteza Yesil (murteza@edmontonian.social)'s status on Saturday, 21-Jun-2025 02:27:01 JST Murteza Yesil Murteza Yesil
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      @mike@thecanadian.social @mastodonmigration@mastodon.online @tchambers@indieweb.social @laurenshof@indieweb.social @cheeaun@mastodon.social @rolle@mementomori.social @scottjenson@social.coop @zeldman@front-end.social @renwillis@mstdn.social
      What was going to a single person instance on my personal domain turned into a city wide regional instance for people who are blown away by the idea of collaborating social media platforms. May be having a place for people to discover local events, festivals, news, meetup groups etc would bring life back to Edmonton, City of Festivals earned the nickname "Deadmonton".
      There are also the unintended advantages of fediverse such as no profiling of people, no manipulation through advertisements, no algorithm driven recommendations of profiles or injecting posts into where they don't belong, no dark-patterns to lock-in users into the platform etc. It is a digital, word of mouth platform.

      I am a SysAdmin for small to medium businesses in Edmonton who need a website, cheaper email hosting etc. I have no clue how much of a need there is for a regional social media platform. But I have a computer powerful enough to host 1,000 or so people, so that they can move away from Facebook. That is good enough to start and see how much of a need there is. I am not trying to snitch users from other instances of Fediverse, lets federate.

      I see how badly my previous post was worded. I shouldn't have rushed to press reply before going into the tunnel. What I meant was "Do you think running a city-wide regional instance would exaggerate the issue of centralization? It would basically act like a subreddit for Edmonton, and can be interpreted as an echo chamber by some people. What would I need to do to avoid the mistake of creating echo chamber or other mistakes the mainstream social media platforms done? Is federating with other instances such as Qlub.social , NWT.social , toronto.place , mstdn.social , thecanadian.social and more enough? I am asking because I was born into the era of mainstream social media platforms and my world view might be more different than most of you, and I didn't get to experience pre-socialmedia times. I want to be part of the solution without repeating the same mistakes".

      Note: "You don't need to download an app" is surprisingly effective way to market it. So many people looks surprised that this thing works and functions amazingly well on a regular boring internet browser, as if it was on a purpose built app. That is Edmontonian Social's audience.

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      @murteza @mastodonmigration @tchambers @laurenshof @cheeaun @rolle @scottjenson @zeldman @renwillis I'd ask myself if there was a need for an Edmonton centric instance and what you think that would look like. If it's just a node with Edmonton in the fqdn then I'm not sure there's any utility there.

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      Murteza Yesil (murteza@edmontonian.social)'s status on Saturday, 21-Jun-2025 02:27:03 JST Murteza Yesil Murteza Yesil
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      @renwillis@mstdn.social @mike@thecanadian.social @tchambers@indieweb.social @mastodonmigration@mastodon.online @laurenshof@indieweb.social @cheeaun@mastodon.social @rolle@mementomori.social @scottjenson@social.coop @zeldman@front-end.social
      Would it be exaggerating the issue if I wanted to host a node of Fediverse for Edmontonians?
      To not repeat the same mistakes, what should I avoid, or do differently?

      Asking as someone who was a cry baby at 90s, born into the social media era, and having somewhat of difficulty visualizing a better world, and still has the audacity to wish for one.

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      ren (is fairy eyelashes) 🎶🌈 (renwillis@mstdn.social)'s status on Saturday, 21-Jun-2025 02:27:04 JST ren (is fairy eyelashes) 🎶🌈 ren (is fairy eyelashes) 🎶🌈
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      @mike @tchambers @mastodonmigration @laurenshof @cheeaun @rolle @scottjenson @zeldman Hey! I’m an old too! GEN X REPRESENT! From a Vic20 and my friend’s TRS-80 to my first internet connection back in 91 managing a computer lab at USF in Tampa. Tis twas a different time. Decentralized is simply “rejoining” the internet the way it was (and probably should’ve stayed). Biggest regret was centralizing information to social media companies.

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      @renwillis @tchambers @mastodonmigration @laurenshof @cheeaun @rolle @scottjenson @zeldman LOL, I go back to the days of bulliten boards and fidonet. My first modem was 1200 baud connected to a C64 and I thought I was cool because it was direct connect and not acoustic coupler.

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