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   Abhiseck Paira (redstarfish@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 16:31:19 JST Abhiseck Paira

   How it should have been:

   Xorg and Wayland competing with one another to be the best. People choosing whatever they like like.

   What's really happening:

   Intentionally not merging pull requests that improve xorg. Closing merge requests and issues en mass. Apps dropping support for xorg and forcing people to use wayland.

   Instead of "let the best person win", it's "let me win".

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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 16:31:16 JST SuperDicq

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     @redstarfish@freesoftwareextremist.com I don't think the intention was ever to make Xorg and Wayland. I'm fairly certain the Wayland was started with the explicit purpose of replacing Xorg over time.

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     Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 16:43:23 JST Phantasm

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     @SuperDicq @redstarfish
     >I'm fairly certain the Wayland was started with the explicit purpose of replacing Xorg over time.
     Which it failed at after more than a decade, hence probably why dirty tactics are started being used. Wayland is as old as Rust is.
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 16:44:36 JST SuperDicq

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     @phnt@fluffytail.org @redstarfish@freesoftwareextremist.com I use Wayland because Xorg doesn't support two monitors with different refresh rates.
     
     Simple as.

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     Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 16:52:02 JST Phantasm

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     @SuperDicq @redstarfish It does support different refresh rates, partially, and only on the first screen. It would have supported actual VRR without properly handling moving Windows between monitors (still better than status quo), if there was any actual effort in merging the MR about it that were, *checks notes*, closed 8 hours ago, by the attention seeking drama addict from RH.
     
     https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/-/merge_requests/1616
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 16:54:07 JST SuperDicq

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     @phnt@fluffytail.org @redstarfish@freesoftwareextremist.com It just got randomly closed without a reason? What is going on?

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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 16:57:05 JST SuperDicq

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     @phnt@fluffytail.org @redstarfish@freesoftwareextremist.com Wait that's Karol Herbst. I remember him.
     
     Isn't that the same guy who left Nouveau to rot after getting offered a job by RedHat?

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     Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 16:57:09 JST Phantasm

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     @SuperDicq @redstarfish That same RH "developer" closed all open MRs by that guy and deactivated his FD GitLab account for daring to announce a fork of Xorg with all his commits (totalling 3+K probably combined with other authors), because Lunduke dared to talk about it.
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     Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 16:58:24 JST Phantasm

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     @SuperDicq @redstarfish Maybe... https://www.phoronix.com/news/Karol-Herbst-Nouveau-No
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 16:59:17 JST SuperDicq

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     • Phantasm

     @phnt@fluffytail.org @redstarfish@freesoftwareextremist.com Oh so it's just one guy having a ragefit and going nuclear on the Git repo?

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     Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 16:59:44 JST Phantasm

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     • SuperDicq
     @SuperDicq @redstarfish Yes.
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     Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 17:00:17 JST Phantasm

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     @SuperDicq @redstarfish https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/-/merge_requests/?sort=created_date&state=closed&first_page_size=20
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 17:15:07 JST SuperDicq

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     @phnt@fluffytail.org @redstarfish@freesoftwareextremist.com That is very pathetic. What lead to this?

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     Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 17:18:27 JST Phantasm

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     @SuperDicq @redstarfish Forking Xorg, including your commits, taking the everybody is welcome to contribute stance and telling Lunduke about it as a way to properly announce it to the public. He committed the single biggest sin in the FD and RH circles.
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     kakafarm (kakafarm@shitposter.world)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 17:21:39 JST kakafarm

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     @phnt @redstarfish @SuperDicq I cannae find the repository. Where is it stored?
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     Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 17:21:39 JST Phantasm

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     @kakafarm @redstarfish @SuperDicq It was probably on FD's GitLab and his account got nuked 8 hours ago by Karol Herbst. Give it a day or two and it will probably appear somewhere.
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     ✙ dcc :pedomustdie: :phear_slackware: (dcc@annihilation.social)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 17:24:55 JST ✙ dcc :pedomustdie: :phear_slackware:

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     @phnt @redstarfish @SuperDicq New xorg is always good, red fed should die.
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 17:25:11 JST SuperDicq

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     @phnt@fluffytail.org @redstarfish@freesoftwareextremist.com I mean not gonna lie Lunduke is probably the last place where I would announce a fork of a major project. Why choose Lunduke of all places?

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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 17:28:46 JST SuperDicq

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     @phnt@fluffytail.org @redstarfish@freesoftwareextremist.com Bruh of course they fucking do in the most stupid cringe neo-Lunduke possible fucking way. Ugh

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     Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 17:28:56 JST Phantasm

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     @SuperDicq @redstarfish When you are sabotaged by FD and RH employees stonewalling your MRs and refusing to maintain Xorg, you don't have much options. Register is basically RH's puppet at this point that doesn't really care about Linux and the ecosystem around it and nobody reads Phoronix. There isn't a proper Linux related news outlet anymore.
     
     Sure, you could announce it yourself on Xitter and Fedi, but many people probably won't see that.
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 17:30:23 JST SuperDicq

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     @phnt@fluffytail.org @redstarfish@freesoftwareextremist.com But calling it the "Non-DEI fork" makes me throw up.
     
     I don't fucking care about the politics of your project.
     
     I just want a working computer bro

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     Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 17:34:08 JST Phantasm

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     @SuperDicq @redstarfish Sadly that's the current way of telling everybody that your project welcomes anybody that is willing to contribute and respect others. When the other "side" is saying that when "everybody's welcome" you are a literal Fascist/Nazi/whatever, the other "side" has to use similarly weighted terms. It's the sad reality we live in. You can no longer "just write software" without explicitly saying this, because others will start going "where CoC", etc. Telling everybody upfront about it is probably better "PR" management-wise than dealing with the fallout later.
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 17:37:39 JST SuperDicq

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     @phnt@fluffytail.org @redstarfish@freesoftwareextremist.com Personally when a project describes itself as "Non-DEI" I tend to avoid it because I know it's going to full of idiots like Lunduke.
     
     I don't mind projects that have a CoC, but I never read the CoC, because these documents always describe obvious shit that any decent human already does.

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     Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 17:51:10 JST Phantasm

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     @dcc @redstarfish @SuperDicq It's XFree86 all over again. This exact same thing has happened like 3 times already in the X history.
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 17:52:04 JST SuperDicq

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     @phnt@fluffytail.org @redstarfish@freesoftwareextremist.com I'm sorry but in my opinion both sides are fucking stupid here.
     
     Karol is a fucking idiot for being a stupid corpodrone and going nuclear on Git after a ragefit.
     
     And Enrico is a fucking idiot for going to fucking Lunduke of all places to announce his "non-DEI" fork.
     
     
     In my opinion if Enrico played this properly he should've just called it an anti-corporate fork and left out any mentions identity politics bullshit completely.

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     Abhiseck Paira (redstarfish@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 17:52:04 JST Abhiseck Paira

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     @SuperDicq @phnt

     Personally when a project describes itself as "Non-DEI" I tend to avoid it because I know it's going to full of idiots like Lunduke.

     I don't think the project described itself as non-DEI, it just said everyone is welcome. Lunduke spun that as that. But until the project officially launches we wouldn't know.

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     Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 17:52:23 JST Phantasm

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     @redstarfish @SuperDicq It had non-DEI in the not yet released readme in the repo.
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 17:52:58 JST SuperDicq

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     @redstarfish@freesoftwareextremist.com @phnt@fluffytail.org No, Enrico specifically went to Lunduke and "non-DEI" are his own words.

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     Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 17:56:20 JST Phantasm

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     @SuperDicq @redstarfish Yeah, but such is life. I would probably do the same after years of getting rejected and laughed at by the "maintainers" for trying to keep the project somewhat alive.
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 17:58:58 JST SuperDicq

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     @phnt@fluffytail.org @redstarfish@freesoftwareextremist.com Obviously I can totally understand making a fork if you're a big contributor have thousands of open PRs on a project that are not being merged.
     
     But as I said, I would leave out the not relevant identity politics bullshit. And I would definitely not contact Lunduke.

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     EmoDagda (dagda@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 18:45:33 JST EmoDagda

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     @SuperDicq @phnt @redstarfish the politics of the projects become a problem for you if they kick out capable people because of it.
     As far as I'm concerned projects should just have some minimal social contract, written or not, to behave decently with each other, if that means CoC or non-DEI, it doesn't matter for me.
     It's sad that DEI is such a burned bureaucratic corporate term at this point, software dev should encourage more people of different backgrounds to come together and build diverse talent but it should be framed differently.
     You can have severely abusive CoC'd projects and fair and adequate non-CoC'd ones.
     I do consider the CoC stuff a corporate trojan horse still and would prefer projects to avoid such stuff. Also CoC's with scopes beyond project communications should be burned down by default, if you dig up stuff from years ago to stir up shit you genuinely deserve all abuse and retaliation that happens afterwards.
     I'm also curious if community x-preserving distros will pick up the X fork. If they don't, despite reasonable technical reasons to do so, it might be indicative of the community efforts already being compromised and corrupt.
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 18:47:00 JST SuperDicq

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     @dagda@netzsphaere.xyz @phnt@fluffytail.org @redstarfish@freesoftwareextremist.com As far as I'm concerned projects should just have some minimal social contract, written or not, to behave decently with each otherEveryone already knows how to behave decently to each other. It came free with your human brain's social skills, and I'm saying that as a fucking autist.
     
     Having a written CoC or similar document is really fucking humiliating and dehumanizing in my opinion. I prefer to avoid it.

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     Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 18:52:35 JST Phantasm

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     @dagda @redstarfish @SuperDicq The only CoC you ever need is: Drink cofe, be chill and cool.
     
     CoCs are another corporate implant, just like CLAs, to kick people that create bad optics for the company/project. Almost every rule written in CoCs has been a social norm for decades. You don't need CoCs to tell an asshole in your IRC/issues to go away. CoCs only provide loosely written rules that can bent to fit the companies narrative regarding any kind of behavior.
     
     If there's a possibility that you will get kicked out of a project for your opinions outside of the project, because some community lead doesn't like your opinions, there's no point in contributing and I won't.
     
     If a project can't properly separate different political opinions of it's contributors and instead on creating good code, it's not a project worth contributing to.
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 18:56:14 JST SuperDicq

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     @phnt@fluffytail.org @dagda@netzsphaere.xyz @redstarfish@freesoftwareextremist.com If there's a possibility that you will get kicked out of a project for your opinions outside of the project, because some community lead doesn't like your opinions, there's no point in contributing and I won't.I have not seen examples of CoCs documents that allow you to kick people for things that happen outside of the project.
     
     Whenever I see someone getting booted for non-project related stuff it is usually because the people in charge of enforcement decided to ignore the CoC ironically enough.
     
     So really the document doesn't matter and doesn't do anything.

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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 19:01:08 JST SuperDicq

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     @phnt@fluffytail.org @dagda@netzsphaere.xyz @redstarfish@freesoftwareextremist.com There is no reason not to contribute to a CoC project and there's no reason not to contribute to a non-CoC project.
     
     It is a pointless virtue signalling document that does nothing and should be ignored.
     
     When it really comes to down to it stupid powertripping people are still stupid powertripping people and they will boot you if they don't like you regardless, with or without CoC being in place.

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     Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 19:10:02 JST Phantasm

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     @dagda @redstarfish @SuperDicq Probably not that much, but it's a usually correct identifier that powertripping people are in charge.
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     EmoDagda (dagda@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 19:10:03 JST EmoDagda

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     @SuperDicq @phnt @redstarfish the CoC's can be an enabling leverage for these people tho.
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     Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 19:13:46 JST Phantasm

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     @SuperDicq @dagda @redstarfish The whole Hyprland dev (Vaxxry) witch hunt started by none other than Drew DeVault over allowing racism and transphobia in their community Discord, which was no true and resolved before DeVault got involved, escalated to a series of harassment posts by DeVault and some random RH employee on the FD CoC team resulted in Vaxxry being completely banned from FD's GitLab even though he never broke the FD CoC on their platforms.
     
     So in this case, you can say that they actually broke the CoC by harassing someone and banning them of their platforms based on something that never touched their platforms, but they'll label this behavior is "exposing" someone.
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 19:36:18 JST SuperDicq

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     @phnt@fluffytail.org @dagda@netzsphaere.xyz @redstarfish@freesoftwareextremist.com In my experience it really doesn't matter, because both situations, rules vs lack of rules are situations that can be abused for power.

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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 20:37:18 JST 翠星石

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     @SuperDicq @phnt @redstarfish Xorg does in fact support 3 monitors with different resolutions and different refresh rates with RandR 1.6, as long as you are using a free software GPU driver and not a proprietary one.
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     @bonifartius @phnt @redstarfish @SuperDicq Every frame is vsync'd, which means that every frame has unacceptable latency added.
     
     With a free software GPU driver, you don't get tearing with Xorg.
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     @Suiseiseki @phnt @redstarfish @SuperDicq Xorg also supports running over the network which i frequently use.

     wayland is just a quarter finished money black hole project lacking features except "eVeRy fRaMe iS PeRfEcT!!!1"

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     dobó istván (istvan@noauthority.social)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 21:11:31 JST dobó istván

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     @redstarfish I think someone realized Wayland wasn’t working and it it would never get fixed if there weren’t more users.

     Solution was to strangle and kill the perfectly functional Xorg to force people to use broken Wayland to get people to fix it.

     That feels like how modern software development works.

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     dobó istván (istvan@noauthority.social)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 21:11:45 JST dobó istván

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     @redstarfish It’s kind of the same thing as coreutils in rust.

     Is it a drop-in replacement yet? No. Is it tested? No. Does it have all the same functionality? No.

     So let’s force everyone to use it break thousands of scripts so we can get people to fix our pet project.

     Because that’s what it is: a pet project.

     > But rust is memory safe!

     Who had in the last 35 years had problems with memory safety in cp and ls?

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     @Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @bonifartius@qoto.org @phnt@fluffytail.org @redstarfish@freesoftwareextremist.com Every frame is vsync'd, which means that every frame has unacceptable latency added.This is not how vsync works with VRR enabled tho.

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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 21:14:05 JST 翠星石

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     @istvan @redstarfish Yes, "memory safety" is not important.
     
     What is important is that GNU coreutils has been battle tested and has had logic errors fixed over decades.
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 21:15:47 JST 翠星石

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     @SuperDicq @bonifartius @phnt @redstarfish VRR does not work with free software.
     
     It is totally unacceptable that one needs to run proprietary software to run wayland without latency drawbacks.
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     @Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @bonifartius@qoto.org @phnt@fluffytail.org @redstarfish@freesoftwareextremist.com What do you mean VRR does not work with free software?

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     @SuperDicq @bonifartius @phnt @redstarfish https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Variable_refresh_rate?useskin=vector
     
     - Nouveau does not support VRR
     - Only 11th gen and later Intel graphics support VRR (I suspect the BIOS supplies the proprietary software for somewhere around 11th gen and later).
     - There is no 3D accell'd free driver for AMD.
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 21:19:32 JST 翠星石

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     @xaetacore @SuperDicq @phnt @redstarfish @bonifartius You are not latency-sensitive then.
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     XaetaCore (xaetacore@neondystopia.world)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 21:19:34 JST XaetaCore

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     @Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo @bonifartius@qoto.org @phnt@fluffytail.org @redstarfish@freesoftwareextremist.com I have never had latency issues on gentoo using wayland

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     @Suiseiseki @phnt @redstarfish @SuperDicq i don't care jack shit about tearing tbh. i played through half life on 320x200 software renderer with 12 fps. i disabled vsync everywhere ti get moar frames.

     "tearing" is a bullshit issue for wannabe cineasts, just like HiFi is a meme where no one can hear the difference between 400 years aged VSOP extra thick copper wires and wet string.

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     @Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @bonifartius@qoto.org @phnt@fluffytail.org @redstarfish@freesoftwareextremist.com Oh you mean VRR is not possible on RYF hardware because it's too old to support... I mean I guess that's true.
     
     A lot of free software supports VRR tho, so once newer hardware will be liberated VRR will work on it.

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     @SuperDicq @bonifartius @phnt @redstarfish VRR support is entirely possible with free software unless there are hardware limitations (it seems Intel Integrated in the good thinkpads have hardware limitations, but the 780 Ti for example doesn't) - it just hasn't been implemented.
     
     The only VRR implementations are proprietary software - although free software can trivially output a variable refresh rate, regardless of what is displaying it.
     
     Newer hardware tends to be digitally handcuffed with a cryptographic signature to make it cryptographically impossible for the users to have freedom.
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     @Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @bonifartius@qoto.org @phnt@fluffytail.org @redstarfish@freesoftwareextremist.com Wait the 780 Ti supports actual VRR? I thought it only supported proprietary GSYNC using proprietary drivers

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     @SuperDicq @bonifartius @phnt @redstarfish The hardware supports a proprietary variable-refresh technology (GSYNC), thus it is extremely likely that it would be possible to implement freesync and thus support VRR.
     
     That hasn't been implemented, as reclocking improvements would need to be made first before VRR would make much improvement.
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     @istvan @bonifartius @redstarfish Yes, Wayland, LLVM, JavaScript, Canada Anubis, Rust and bloating up Linux are all proprietary schemes to slowly make software slower and slower and more bloated, with the end goal of the user not being able to run anything without the latest hardware that is carefully handcuffed to only run proprietary software.
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     @bonifartius @Suiseiseki @redstarfish Been a long time since I used the likes of fvwm, cde, enlightenment, etc.

     It used to be so nice just modifying .xinitrc to load whatever I wanted in whatever order instead of digging through 100 menus to figure out how to auto start a program since no one respects the old ways anymore.

     They really fucked computing.

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     @Suiseiseki @redstarfish

     > We have already fixed that problem.

     But I wanted to do that one!!!

     > You can fix a different problem.

     FUCK YOU! I’m going to call my Discord friends and we’ll murder your perfectly functional software so everyone has to use MY solution. What do you say about that?

     > Back to RedHat 5.6 and Fvwm95 it is then…

     Hey… where did all the developers who actually make things go?

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     @istvan @Suiseiseki @redstarfish FVWM still is actively developed :)

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     @Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @bonifartius@qoto.org @phnt@fluffytail.org @redstarfish@freesoftwareextremist.com Is anyone actually still working on nouveau?
     
     I mean as for my RYF machines, my X200 runs Intel and my D8 server runs headless, because it's a server. So I've never really dealt with nouveau.

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     @SuperDicq @bonifartius @phnt @redstarfish Yes, people are still working on Noveau, although most of the developers seem to have moved to developing a rust shim for the proprietary software of the latest Nvidia GPUs.
     
     I like being able to use a computer with 3+ screens with 3D acell and for that you need a Nvidia GPU.
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     @Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @bonifartius@qoto.org @phnt@fluffytail.org @redstarfish@freesoftwareextremist.com I'm actually really interesting in what your home setup is like.

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     @SuperDicq @bonifartius @phnt @redstarfish Good one fed, you got me to post my hardware details.
     
     It's a GNUbooted KGPE-D16, with dual 6282 SE's, with plenty of RAM, with 780 Ti, plugged into 3 screens (one of them 1440p@120).
     
     Another GNUbooted KGPE-D16 is the router.
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     @Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @bonifartius@qoto.org @phnt@fluffytail.org @redstarfish@freesoftwareextremist.com Don't worry, the feds can't do shit.

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     @Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @bonifartius@qoto.org @phnt@fluffytail.org @redstarfish@freesoftwareextremist.com I am kinda curious about the monitor setup because you have one 120hz screen. Does this screen actually render stuff at 120hz while the other screens are presumably not 120hz?

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     @Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @bonifartius@qoto.org @phnt@fluffytail.org @redstarfish@freesoftwareextremist.com Also you actually use a D16 as a fucking router? Isn't that a little bit overkill?

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     @Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @bonifartius@qoto.org @phnt@fluffytail.org @redstarfish@freesoftwareextremist.com Like isn't there a bunch of RYF certified actual routers you could be using that consume like 1/100th the amount of power.

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     @SuperDicq @bonifartius @phnt @redstarfish >Does this screen actually render stuff at 120hz while the other screens are presumably not 120hz?
     It displays stuff at 120Hz, while the other monitors display at 60Hz.
     
     >you actually use a D16 as a fucking router? Isn't that a little bit overkill?
     It has 2 1000BASE-T ports, thus it would be a waste not to use it as one.
     
     >Like isn't there a bunch of RYF certified actual routers you could be using that consume like 1/100th the amount of power.
     Only a few standalone routers are supported by LibreCMC (which glows as bright as the sun now considering the hardware support page tried to attack me with proprietary software) and those routers would have issues pushing the amount of packets I push.
     
     The router is also a server, which allows me to have IPv4 without NAT and there is no waste of power with yet another computer as a router.
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     @Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @bonifartius@qoto.org @phnt@fluffytail.org @redstarfish@freesoftwareextremist.com If you're also using it as a server I guess that's fine but if you were actually just routing packages and nothing else on it I would consider that a little bit wasteful.
     It displays stuff at 120Hz, while the other monitors display at 60Hz.I thought this was not possible using xorg, for me it always seems to default to the lowest common refresh rate among all monitors.

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     @SuperDicq @bonifartius @phnt @redstarfish I made an edit that actually accurately portrays the typical GNU user.
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     @Suiseiseki @redstarfish @bonifartius Electron everywhere enshittified apps to artificially inflate the memory and CPU requirements of a program that really does fuck all except send and receive plain text packets over TCP/IP.

     Computing has been spiraling into hell since (not because) the moment they switched to 64-bit chips and EFI+secureboot (OK, because).

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     @istvan @redstarfish @bonifartius The best hardware for running free software is 64 bit - so that is not the reason.
     
     UEFI and restricted boot are only a minor point on the spiral into proprietary hell - there are many worse things.
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     @Suiseiseki @redstarfish @bonifartius You don't need more than 2^32 words of memory unless you are running very bad software or doing specialized video editing.

     32-bit is enough.

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     @istvan @redstarfish @bonifartius Support for more than 4GiB of memory on a system that runs many programs is necessary - after all a computer with the power to run 40,000 programs at the same time cannot do so if there is a 4GiB memory limit.
     
     Although that can be achieved even on a 32 bit processor with nasty hacks, such kind of cruft is best avoided.
     
     The x86 instruction set and the way arguments are passed is horrible - the AMD64 instruction set solves many of the issues and is quite pleasant in comparison.
     
     The X32 ABI may be of interest to you, as that is mostly 64bit, except with 32bit pointers - meaning the AMD64 semantics can be used, but programs are limited to 4GiB of memory (but you can also run specialized software that needs more memory than that with 64 bit pointers too).
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     @kakafarm @SuperDicq @redstarfish
     And it was confirmed that the original repo was on FD GitLab.
     https://github.com/X11Libre/xserver
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     @redstarfish @SuperDicq @kakafarm Debian definitely won't because of the controversy behind it. Same with openSUSE. Arch has a slim chance and that's about it.
     
     It will probably gain traction in the typical protest distros like Artix, Devuan and MX Linux but not much more. Even Gentoo probably won't package it.
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     @phnt @SuperDicq @kakafarm If this actually takes off (I think it will), I wonder if major distros like Debian or Arch will ship this version. I know Fedora wouldn't.

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     @phnt@fluffytail.org @redstarfish@freesoftwareextremist.com @kakafarm@shitposter.world If it actually works and is a good enough improvement over xorg I'm pretty sure distros like Gentoo would package it. Probably as an option alongside xorg.

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