It is impossible to explain to a linuxfag that their failed community ecosystem is in large part due to their compete inability to name things. "SteamOS" -- it's an OS for steam "ChromeOS" -- it's an OS for chrome "Microsoft Office" -- "I guess that's tools you'd use in an office" "Mapquest" -- guess I look at maps "Door dash" -- "they dash things to your door "Minecraft" -- you mine things and you craft things
"bazzite" -- what the fuck does that mean "gnome" -- what the fuck does that mean "mutter" -- is that like a mumble alternative? "Wayland" -- like from Aliens? "minetest" -- sounds like Minecra-- oh wait you changed it to "Luanti" WHAT THE FUCK DOES THAT MEAN
@RustyCrab the thing is somewhat that but also the fact that steamOS has the company Valve behind it and a product can be bought that runs it, most normal people don't wanna mess their computer to install another Os
@RustyCrab >imagine installing a rebrand of containerized Fedora made by a single dude for gayming >image.png >what do those words even mean? image.png
@phnt@RustyCrab the thing with bazzite is that it's not bad but 99% of people aren't going to want to install another OS on their own, that number will probably go down if steamOS gets a "you can install this on any pc" release but it's still not going to be the majority
@mischievoustomato@RustyCrab It's a cringe "immutable" OS anyway. At least steamOS has a reason to be like that, bazzite does not other than being normie friendly, which is a bad thing anyway.
@dsm gridr at least makes sense. So does bumble to some degree. Hulu is badly named but is backed by billions in marketing. I have never heard of wtf tubi is. It sounds like something to do with TV. If that guess is accurate then it's not completely terrible.
@RustyCrab@dsm foss proves that you can have good software when handled only by developers, but you get great software when those developers are tard wrangled by managers
@pettanko@RustyCrab@dsm I do remember because I'm a fucking nerd. That said, they chose that because gnome-console is too barebones. That said, gnome does searching with tags that are set in the app definition (.desktop) files so if i search terminal, i get it.
@adiz@RustyCrab steamos sounds like some late 19th century cereal that cheerios had a brief rivalry with over whether it cured women's hysteria more effectively.
@Kyonko802@DarkMahesvara it can work in the corporate world DESPITE the bad name because they spend billions on marketing. In most cases even when the name is bad it still had a guessable meaning. See "tubi" above. its rare to come across a corporate example as bad as "bazzite" or "luanti".
Notable exception are those fucking corporate enterprise flavor of the month apps. "Jizz me on Smackdog". Those are not dependent on public marketing so much as being shilled to idiotic IT department leads that feel like switching platforms every month and then shoving them down the employees throats.
Edge is a genuinely bad name and if it were a little Foss project web browser I would bash it equally hard.
@RustyCrab@DarkMahesvara this is a retarded argument because there's already so many named things that don't fucking mean anything and you're cherrypicking the most bland examples to make your point. The name Edge doesn't have fucking anything to do with browsing the internet and yet there it is
@DarkMahesvara because your parents aren't going to know what steam is. Go ask a random computer user under 30 what "SteamOS" means and at least half of them will probably get close.
@RustyCrab its not about how good the names are but name recognition based on popularity nothing more. go to your parents right now and ask to install steamos and they will think about a sauna or kitchen.
@pettanko that's a horrible name yes. There were a lot of jokes about it when it came out. Despite the money and relative popularity the average person still would not be able to guess what Ubuntu means.
@RustyCrab people want steamos because like with the steam deck a recognizable brand offering something makes normies think "oh they will take care of me so no need to be scared" even when the end result would be almost the same. thats the whole purpose of SAAS so smarter people can sells retards the same thing but in nice wrapping paper.
@DarkMahesvara my point has literally nothing to do with existing branding. It's about using words that have meaning to people. "Map quest" "Office" "Door dash" none of these words are branded. Branded words are just a subset of that because people would know what "steam" means, therefore they can derive meaning from the concatenation "steam" "os" = "something to do with gaming" "operating system"
@RustyCrab yes so again its 0% about how good its name is but recognition. go ahead and name a distro or project after something similarly brand recognizable and see what happens to figure out why nobody does it.
@RustyCrab Windows was called Windows because Microsoft saw that other GUIs called themselves windowing systems and wanted to make themselves seem like the creators lol.
@mischievoustomato@RustyCrab@phnt it's going to be a year to 2 years imo before we see a desktop steam os release. The red hat open source nova drivers for nvidia rtx 2k and beyond cards aren't passed their infancy. We aren't going to see anything happen until they're ready as Valve isn't going to package nvidia's linux graphics drivers in their SteamOS image. The best you'll get for desktop steamos from valve is them releasing a steambox or you hamfisting the steam os recovery image onto an all AMD pc build.
@KaiserKitty I was actually just wondering whether Windows was a good name or a bad name. I think I'd side with "good" because it's descriptive for the reasons you mentioned.
"Macintosh" is less descriptive but at least catchy and easy to remember.
Naming isn't entirety responsible for success or failure of a product but it's a friction point. If your product has nothing else going for it, a bad name can take an uphill battle and make it downright impossible.
@RustyCrab@KaiserKitty I believe the lore behind Macintosh was that it was just the code name (named after the macintosh apple if I remember correctly) for the project and the team liked it enough to fight Steve Jobs over it because he wanted to name it Bicycle which is a stupid name for a computer.
@RustyCrab k3b is for DVD burning, though it's understandable that people have forgotten about that. Kate is the text editor.... a damn good text editor, but you wouldn't know to search for it if you weren't on a KDE distro.
@RustyCrab Don't think that bad names are limited to Linux ecosystem, but it does suffer the most there I guess. As much as I love KDE... "Kcalc", "Kate", "Konsole", "K3b", "Kasts"... just... stop...
@Inginsub@RustyCrab Through the KDE distro I started with, I think Kate was the default. And I kept using it. That would have been 8 years ago, so hope my memory is correct. On what I use now, it's not, and I have to install it. But I think it's still the better known text editor for KDE.
@menherahair@RustyCrab i used to hear it affectionately called waylaid but i guess calling it wayland-utani would also work given who all made it :blobcatgoogly:
@fwc@RustyCrab@phnt sorta. People do many things, not just game. I think it'd be better to attract people gradually as stuff in the linux world evolves as well
@pettanko@KaiserKitty@dsm I haven't used steamOS but I'm guessing it probably doesn't randomly corrupt itself or force you to open a terminal to do basic things.
@RustyCrab@dsm its tubi because people call the tv "the tube" as slang due to CRTs. Idk man you tell most people to go watch free shows on tubi and they dont care. What does Hulu mean? What do Fox's have to do with TV? What does a rainforest have to do with shipping (cutting down trees to make cardboard boxes i guess)? As long as you have good marketing and a distinct name thats all that matters. I think you are way too caught up on names tbh. If you tell someone "Oh Bazzite is like SteamOS but for desktops rather then handhelds" they will get it if they know what steamOS is. You dont just have bazzite isos sitting at korger for granny to buy lol
@RustyCrab@pettanko@dsm most corruption issues are just bad updates which fedora kinoite and steamOS immutability remove. Other have is bad btrfs backup set ups which SteamOS avoids by using ext4.
In terms of no terminal if you use Fedora KDE with an AMD card (SteamOS has no Nvidia support currently) to download steam you just need to click the enable third party repos button which shows up right after an install. Open Discover, type steam and you can install the native fedora package there. You can then fully manage proton via protonupQT.
Tho terminal use is unavoidable on any computer at a certain point. People are just more comfy copying powershell scripts because reasons idk.
"I'm used to SteamOS so I want to run that on my desktop" is the layman's way of thinking and "Just install Fedora Rolling Atomic Edition" is not of any comfort