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   pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Friday, 18-Apr-2025 06:48:33 JST pistolero
   Google Meet, formerly Google Hangouts, formerly Google Chat, started life as just an XMPP server that Google ran and attached to GMail accounts. (Facebook Messenger was XMPP, too; at one point, it was possible to open up GMail and send a message to someone that was on Facebook. This was before "silo" was the only option.)
   
   After a while, Google silo'd their XMPP server: you could still (at least for a while) log into it using a regular XMPP client, but you could only talk to other GMail accounts. Google cited "spam" as the main reason, but the reason was obviously closing the ecosystem.
   
   Look. Please, hear me out: we can eliminate most of the spam on the internet if we convince Google to turn its email service into a silo. Think about it. And if they do it, maybe it's possible to convince Microsoft to wall off Hotmail/Outlook/whatever. Think about this.
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     pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Friday, 18-Apr-2025 06:52:57 JST pistolero

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     • dobó istván
     @istvan
     
     > So every domain is its own country and you have to pay the pain of international postage for bits to cross servers?
     
     Where the hell did you get that from?
     
     I am just suggesting that GMail become a real silo and no longer speak SMTP to other machines on the internet. Like when Gab decided to stop federating.
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     dobó istván (istvan@noauthority.social)'s status on Friday, 18-Apr-2025 06:52:58 JST dobó istván

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     @p So every domain is its own country and you have to pay the pain of international postage for bits to cross servers?

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     Red Rozenglass (rozenglass@fedi.dreamscape.link)'s status on Friday, 18-Apr-2025 06:58:26 JST Red Rozenglass

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     @p@fsebugoutzone.org You're saying that the end of Eternal September can be brought about, theoretically, by having a few centralized global monopolies here and there, that sweep up the invader swarms back out of our beautiful wounded wired and into massive sandbox prisons where they can be happily stupid together? Simply ingenious. And even better, perhaps, inevitable!
     
     
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     pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Friday, 18-Apr-2025 07:00:44 JST pistolero

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     • Red Rozenglass
     @rozenglass
     
     > Simply ingenious. And even better, perhaps, inevitable!
     
     :bigbosssalute: If there's a way to hasten the inevitable, I would be delighted.
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     JollyWizard (jollywizard@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 18-Apr-2025 07:00:51 JST JollyWizard

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     @p Google meat
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     pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Friday, 18-Apr-2025 07:01:07 JST pistolero

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     @JollyWizard
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     Bricky (thatbrickster@shitposter.world)'s status on Friday, 18-Apr-2025 07:01:12 JST Bricky

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     @p I remember sending encrypted XMPP messages over Facebook. Simpler times.
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     pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Friday, 18-Apr-2025 07:02:52 JST pistolero

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     • Bricky
     @thatbrickster I wish OTR had been more widely supported.
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     you should buy a fumo (teatootler@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 18-Apr-2025 07:47:47 JST you should buy a fumo

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     @p have sharks eat through the underwater cables connecting india and israel and spam problem solved
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     pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Friday, 18-Apr-2025 07:49:29 JST pistolero

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     • you should buy a fumo
     @TeaTootler That only solves 4chan's problems. If we cut all the cables that go through San Francisco, that would be fine with me.
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     ?? Humpleupagus ?? (humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Friday, 18-Apr-2025 15:06:14 JST ?? Humpleupagus ??

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     Maybe we could lock everyone at Microsoft and Google in their offices and light the buildings on fire. 🤷♂️
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     Vinnewed Goblin (warmbeverageenjoyer@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Friday, 18-Apr-2025 21:31:36 JST Vinnewed Goblin

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     @p and eventually self-hosted and indie email servers will stop having so much trouble getting past spamboxes... Because they won't be invited to the party anyway! And they can just talk to each other. I love this actually
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     petbrain (petbrain@fosstodon.org)'s status on Saturday, 19-Apr-2025 00:02:34 JST petbrain

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     @p what if most of the spam comes out from google?

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     pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Saturday, 19-Apr-2025 00:02:59 JST pistolero

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     • petbrain
     @petbrain That's been my experience; this is why convincing Google to silo GMail would eliminate the spam.
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     pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Saturday, 19-Apr-2025 00:14:03 JST pistolero

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     • SunMcNukes
     @sunmcnukes
     
     > Gmail was cool when it started as invite only just before the invasion.
     
     It was regular webmail.
     
     I tried to log into it some time last year and I think they wiped my old accounts.
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     SunMcNukes (sunmcnukes@shitpost.cloud)'s status on Saturday, 19-Apr-2025 00:14:04 JST SunMcNukes

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     It's more complex than that: the reason why they allow spam is because their heads are poojeets and obviously colluded with jeet bot farms. Gmail was cool when it started as invite only just before the invasion.
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     pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Saturday, 19-Apr-2025 00:16:29 JST pistolero

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     @sunmcnukes And, anyway, here is a PDF from 2006 (about two years after GMail launched) about how Google was acquiring dangerous levels of information. Whoever they have been staffed by, they were already shitty by 2006. I ditched them in 2009.
     googling_considered_harmful.pdf
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     pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Saturday, 19-Apr-2025 00:20:32 JST pistolero

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     • ?? Humpleupagus ??
     @Humpleupagus It's been tried.
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     m0xEE (m0xee@nosh0b10.m0xee.net)'s status on Saturday, 19-Apr-2025 00:23:08 JST m0xEE

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     @p@fsebugoutzone.org
     Except now my friends know that I'm never ever making a Google account again. So it would be their problem now.
     
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     pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Saturday, 19-Apr-2025 01:15:11 JST pistolero

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     • ⚡Lord of Misrule⚡
     @toiletpaper
     
     > You can eliminate most of the spam on the internet by not using gmail
     
     I don't. Spammers that want me to call them on Whatsapp do, though.
     
     > I'm lucky if I get a few spam messages per year in total (with several domains routed into a catch-all inbox),
     
     My server used to be like this.
     
     > Either google's staff are utterly incompetent, or they allow it to be that way on purpose.
     
     It's because nobody blocks GMail for the domain.
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     ⚡Lord of Misrule⚡ (toiletpaper@shitposter.world)'s status on Saturday, 19-Apr-2025 01:15:12 JST ⚡Lord of Misrule⚡

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     You can eliminate most of the spam on the internet by not using gmail in the first place. I manage my own SMTPd and compared to when I hosted the same domains using gapps/gmail where I was getting sometimes upwards of 2,000 spam messages per day with copious false positives, on my self-hosted email server I'm lucky if I get a few spam messages per year in total (with several domains routed into a catch-all inbox), and so far zero false positives. Either google's staff are utterly incompetent, or they allow it to be that way on purpose.
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     pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Saturday, 19-Apr-2025 02:05:17 JST pistolero

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     • ⚡Lord of Misrule⚡
     @toiletpaper
     
     > I use a chain of several RBL's
     
     If they didn't constantly blacklist me then I might think this was okay to do. Even if it was okay to do, then it still doesn't get rid of the spam from GMail.
     
     > my setup refuses to even accept it in the first place
     
     I know how it works, yes. I know how a mail server works. My mail server receives a bunch of shit from GMail and GMail silently discards mail from me. If I could eliminate the first problem, then the second problem wouldn't bother me so much. If GMail dropped the pretense of being an email system, then that would eliminate the first problem. That was the joke.
     
     :lookhowtheymassacredmyboy: The joke is now dead.
     
     > self-hosting eliminated effectively 100% of the spam and 100% of false positives basically overnight.
     
     How do you know that you have no false positives if you rejected it before getting the message?
     
     > I give them theirdomain.tld@mydomain.tld
     
     Some of them block addresses that have their name as a substring.
     
     I just make up aliases, and I have a few queued up so that I don't have to ssh to the mail server to add a new one. A lot of them filter spam@ so I made fcnz@, which filled up with spam, so I turned it off. (If I forget an alias, I just look at the To field for mail from the company in question.)
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     ⚡Lord of Misrule⚡ (toiletpaper@shitposter.world)'s status on Saturday, 19-Apr-2025 02:05:18 JST ⚡Lord of Misrule⚡

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     Fwiw, the main difference is I use a chain of several RBL's and I shut off addresses which are routinely targeted using postfix recipient_access and sender_access lists. Whereas gapps/gmail allows to filter inbound email into the spam folder, my setup refuses to even accept it in the first place (ie. responds with "550 Mailbox does not exist."). I also have spamassassin, but it basically never gets triggered because there's no spam received. But literally, they're the same exact domains and accounts which were formerly hosted by gmail/gapps, and switching to self-hosting eliminated effectively 100% of the spam and 100% of false positives basically overnight.
     
     Another neat trick which I've been using long before I switched *to* gapps/gmail, is that when I have to register on any website or give out my email address to an untrusted party, I give them theirdomain.tld@mydomain.tld so when I do inevitably get spam, I can easily identify the source of the leak and shut it off. Works like a charm. Also a good source of laughs to see who got hacked or had their db sold to spammers.
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     SilverDeth (silverdeth@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Saturday, 19-Apr-2025 02:40:23 JST SilverDeth

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     • ?? Humpleupagus ??
     @p @Humpleupagus We should try harder.
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     pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Saturday, 19-Apr-2025 02:43:29 JST pistolero

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     @SilverDeth @Humpleupagus Well, someone should; I hope to have a better idea.
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     CapitalB (capitalb@noauthority.social)'s status on Saturday, 19-Apr-2025 02:45:14 JST CapitalB

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     @p Good.

     The dunces out there dont use mail anymore anyway.

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     SilverDeth (silverdeth@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Saturday, 19-Apr-2025 02:45:21 JST SilverDeth

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     • ?? Humpleupagus ??
     @p @Humpleupagus
     
     Yes... the "royal we."
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     SilverDeth (silverdeth@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Saturday, 19-Apr-2025 02:45:50 JST SilverDeth

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     • ?? Humpleupagus ??
     @p @Humpleupagus
     
     I hope I get to see it happen. I will show up with a lawn chair, Canadian Bacon pizza, umbrella, and a piña colada. Then kick back and watch the BBQ in a loud shirt, sunglasses and an ear-to-ear shark-tooth smile.
     
     Maybe a cigar too.
     
     (Boy... I've given this a lot of thought. Huh).
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     pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Saturday, 19-Apr-2025 02:45:51 JST pistolero

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     • SilverDeth
     @SilverDeth @Humpleupagus At some point they'll kill themselves.
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     pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Saturday, 19-Apr-2025 02:46:37 JST pistolero

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     • SilverDeth
     @SilverDeth @Humpleupagus I'm a sausage and jalapenos guy, but in principle I agree completely.
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     dever (dever@noauthority.social)'s status on Saturday, 19-Apr-2025 02:50:43 JST dever

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     • ?? Humpleupagus ??

     @Humpleupagus @p

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     SilverDeth (silverdeth@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Saturday, 19-Apr-2025 02:56:52 JST SilverDeth

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     • ?? Humpleupagus ??
     @p @Humpleupagus This is an acceptable pie.
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     pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Friday, 02-May-2025 02:12:12 JST pistolero

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     • Autism is a Choice :verified: :njp:
     • you should buy a fumo
     @MelGibsonafter4Beers @TeaTootler
     
     > Vending machines statistically kill more people per year than shark attacks.
     
     Sampling bias: people tend to encounter more vending machines than sharks. How many vending machines chew through underwater cables?
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     Autism is a Choice :verified: :njp: (melgibsonafter4beers@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 02-May-2025 02:12:13 JST Autism is a Choice :verified: :njp:

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     @TeaTootler @p Vending machines statistically kill more people per year than shark attacks.
     
     Their reputation as man-eating monsters is largely due the fact that (((Spielberg))) like (((Ahab))) is "appalled by the Whiteness" of a kindly marine animal who dindu nuffin :blobcatshark: :israel_burn:
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     Autism is a Choice :verified: :njp: (melgibsonafter4beers@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 02-May-2025 11:23:47 JST Autism is a Choice :verified: :njp:

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     @p @TeaTootler Can't you just enjoy the fact that Lord Neptune has blessed us with allies that are setting nature back on course? :blobcatshark: :israel_burn:
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     @MelGibsonafter4Beers @TeaTootler :sharonsmug: Nope.
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     pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Friday, 02-May-2025 11:31:27 JST pistolero

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     @MelGibsonafter4Beers @TeaTootler Sharks are teeth, alimentary canal, asshole. I don't care what Spielberg says.
     
     I keep seeing triple-parens and I will start on the NUKE PALESTINE discussion.
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     Autism is a Choice :verified: :njp: (melgibsonafter4beers@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 02-May-2025 11:31:28 JST Autism is a Choice :verified: :njp:

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     @p @TeaTootler Why do you gotta go out of your way to affirm the lies of deceitful Jew director Steven Spielberg?
     
     You're far safer swimming in shark infested waters than you are amongst dolphins or Wall Street (((loan sharks))), simple as. :KannaSip:
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     @MelGibsonafter4Beers @p @TeaTootler well...
     
     I mean, I thinks this is cute, but I scrool up for @Sui poasts, so...
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     pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Friday, 02-May-2025 11:33:56 JST pistolero

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     @stoner713 @MelGibsonafter4Beers @TeaTootler
     
     :virgin: shark
     > Eats
     > Just eats
     > Doesn't care about shit
     > Will gladly eat its own offspring
     > Exists just to :newproduct: CONSUME
     
     :sf2vs:
     
     :chad: Dolphin
     > Eats whatever
     > Rapes whatever
     > Genius animal
     > Takes care of its own
     > Doesn't care if people think it's shitty, keeps doing its shit
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     Autism is a Choice :verified: :njp: (melgibsonafter4beers@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 02-May-2025 11:35:45 JST Autism is a Choice :verified: :njp:

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     @p @TeaTootler Nature setting itself back on course & it is beautiful :MudLove: :blobcatshark: :israel_burn:
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     @MelGibsonafter4Beers @TeaTootler
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     @MelGibsonafter4Beers @p @TeaTootler Gooba has returned to the sea to do Gods work.
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     Trevor Goodchild:verified::pondering_orb: (trevorgoodchild@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 02-May-2025 11:45:20 JST Trevor Goodchild:verified::pondering_orb:

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     Autism is a Choice :verified: :njp: (melgibsonafter4beers@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 03-May-2025 05:10:08 JST Autism is a Choice :verified: :njp:

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     @TrevorGoodchild @p @stoner713 @TeaTootler Rape whistles don't work underwater, boi.
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     pepsi_man (pepsi_man@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 03-May-2025 05:11:18 JST pepsi_man

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     That's a well hung sea mammal, I tell you huwhat
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     Autism is a Choice :verified: :njp: (melgibsonafter4beers@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 03-May-2025 05:11:35 JST Autism is a Choice :verified: :njp:

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     @TrevorGoodchild @p @stoner713 @TeaTootler Belugas are a different story as they have been filmed rescuing humans from drowning, befriending Narwhals and even returning lost electronics.
     
     It is no coincidence that they are White.
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     eee (eee@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 03-May-2025 05:11:35 JST eee

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     @MelGibsonafter4Beers @TrevorGoodchild @p @stoner713 @TeaTootler i believe that they're high iq
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     pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Saturday, 03-May-2025 05:12:40 JST pistolero

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     • Gideon
     @Gideon @MelGibsonafter4Beers @TeaTootler @TrevorGoodchild @stoner713 kys fed
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     Gideon (gideon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Saturday, 03-May-2025 05:12:41 JST Gideon

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     That was touching. Still couldn't help notice the guy in the wheelchair with a shirt that said "United We Stand". 😂