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   feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Sunday, 09-Mar-2025 07:03:23 JST feld

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   I wrote a #DeltaChat blog post for technical users who are skeptical about how it works
   
   Everything You Think You Know About DeltaChat Is Wrong
   
   https://blog.feld.me/posts/2025/03/deltachat-is-actually-good-though/
   
   @delta
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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Sunday, 09-Mar-2025 09:35:19 JST feld

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     • Fabrice Desré
     • rohden
     @rohden @delta @fabrice Correct, it's left on the server so other devices can get a copy. I don't know if there are plans to solve this with Iroh device to device connections yet but it would be possible
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     rohden (rohden@fe.disroot.org)'s status on Sunday, 09-Mar-2025 09:35:20 JST rohden

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     @delta @fabrice @feld
     
     
     #chatmail if a single device setup is used end-to-end encrypted message get removed after the app downloaded it. The situation is different for multi device setups, right?
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     Delta Chat (delta@chaos.social)'s status on Sunday, 09-Mar-2025 09:35:21 JST Delta Chat

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     • Fabrice Desré

     @fabrice @feld #chatmail servers do not keep persistent logs, and only the end-devices have the readable messages of a conversation. Servers briefly see an end-to-end encrypted message but it gets removed after the app downloaded it.

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     Fabrice Desré (fabrice@fosstodon.org)'s status on Sunday, 09-Mar-2025 09:35:22 JST Fabrice Desré

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     @feld @delta Good write up, thanks! One question: when 2 people are in a conversation, are there any persisted logs of the exchanges between the 2 random email addresses?

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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Sunday, 09-Mar-2025 10:30:08 JST feld

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     @treefit @deltatouch @lk108 @adbenitez I didn't know of that specific list / forum post and will have to update my blog post to mention it :) thanks
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     treefit (treefit@fosstodon.org)'s status on Sunday, 09-Mar-2025 10:30:09 JST treefit

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     @feld

     Do you already know
     https://support.delta.chat/t/list-of-all-known-client-projects/3059 ?

     @deltatouch (ubuntu touch client) would be worth mentioning, especially with the blogpost from @lk108 : https://delta.chat/en/2023-07-02-deltatouch

     Arcane chat is technically a soft-fork of the android client with special patches and extra features by @adbenitez

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     treefit (treefit@fosstodon.org)'s status on Sunday, 09-Mar-2025 10:31:26 JST treefit

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     @feld @adbenitez @deltatouch @lk108

     I mostly wanted to share loathers blogpost in which he describes how easy it was for him to create a new client because the api of dc core is easy to understand.

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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Sunday, 09-Mar-2025 15:55:42 JST lainy

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     Delta Chat (delta@chaos.social)'s status on Monday, 10-Mar-2025 00:58:19 JST Delta Chat

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     @matthieu @feld yes, many chatmail servers are not ddos protected likely. Some run in environments where ddos protection exists.
     Fwiw ddossing all email servers world wide is probably a daunting task and would bring most governments and institutions to a grinding halt.

     We have stopped publishing about new chatmail server setups half a year ago btw and are to devise a decentralized way to distribute information about chatmail servers. We don't want to provide public block lists, basically.

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     Matthieu Weber 🇫🇷/🇫🇮 (matthieu@mastodon.weber.fi.eu.org)'s status on Monday, 10-Mar-2025 00:58:34 JST Matthieu Weber 🇫🇷/🇫🇮

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     @feld @delta so at the moment the registration feature of chatmail makes it vulnerable to a DoS attack. It does not break the confidentiality of the messages, but it could make the service unusable for the users of that server. Did I get this right?

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     KawaiiPunk (kawaiipunk@sunbeam.city)'s status on Monday, 10-Mar-2025 04:53:45 JST KawaiiPunk

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     @feld @delta DeltaChat is so rad. I didn't "get it" for ages until Chatmail came out.

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     Léon van Kammen (lvk@mastodon.online)'s status on Monday, 10-Mar-2025 07:56:00 JST Léon van Kammen

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     @delta @lionel @feld
     Personally I look at deltachat/chatmail as email v2 a la carte.
     I use it in classic unencrypted mode for one [classic] email account, and another [chatmail] account for encrypted DM's.

     Btw. what happens if we both change our chatmail adress to 'john@samemailchatserver.io'?

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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Monday, 10-Mar-2025 07:56:00 JST feld

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     • Léon van Kammen
     @lvk @delta @lionel whoever changes first creates the account / sets the password. If anyone else tries they will not be able to login.
     
     If someone does get your password they won't be able to successfully impersonate you without your key
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     Delta Chat (delta@chaos.social)'s status on Monday, 10-Mar-2025 07:56:02 JST Delta Chat

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     • Lionel CoupouchettyRamouchetty

     @lionel @feld chatmail addresses are not like classic email accounts or any other regular platforms's accounts for that matter. A chatmail address by default keeps no data. There is no registration data other than the password. It's really just about taking control of an address. This is why we rarely talk about "accounts" because everyone is used to this being a heavy bag of collected data and state.

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     Lionel CoupouchettyRamouchetty (lionel@toot.coupou.fr)'s status on Monday, 10-Mar-2025 07:56:03 JST Lionel CoupouchettyRamouchetty

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     @feld @delta

     Hi and thanks for your blog post. I must say I was skeptical at first as I had already tried deltachat and I wasn't convinced. At the time I was under the impression that the main advantage of deltachat over other IM services was that there was no need for creating another account. I just used existing email accounts and then hit (as expected) the issues mentioned in your post among others.

     It's a shame because I think that was the one thing that could have made DeltaChat worth the try for non technical user.

     I can see myself use it, as a concerned, motivated "technically educated" user but it seems it's not mature enough for ordinary people, as I read some features are missing regarding user-friendliness and a lot of people in my contacts list would just dismiss it if it doesn't show the same level of features as what they're currently using.

     In the meantime the best middle ground I found was matrix with a select list of bridges but I'm not losing hope of finding some better alternative so I'll definitely keep an eye on DeltaChat.

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     Bhante Subharo (sbb@c.im)'s status on Monday, 10-Mar-2025 09:45:16 JST Bhante Subharo

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     @feld @delta I thought the blog post was good, and two points really stuck out:
     1) For ease of adding contacts, since you can scan barcodes between smartphones, Deltachat might as well be another Signal or WhatsApp (for how convenient this is). I had to admit that scanning a barcode to add a contact is becoming more commonplace by the day - kudos to #deltachat for supporting it.
     2) When migration to another server was mentioned as being so easy, thanks to AEAP - "Advanced Email Address Porting" - that seriously blew my mind. I jumped out of my chair and exclaimed something to the effect of "shut the front door!"

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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Monday, 10-Mar-2025 09:54:41 JST feld

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     @sbb @delta You can click a link too hit the barcode/QR is pretty convenient
     
     AEAP is an amazing concept isn't it? You get to have a nomadic identity
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     Léon van Kammen (lvk@mastodon.online)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Mar-2025 02:02:12 JST Léon van Kammen

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     • Lionel CoupouchettyRamouchetty
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     @feld @delta @lionel wonderful, really impressive work!

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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Mar-2025 03:41:14 JST feld

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     • Léon van Kammen
     @lionel @delta @lvk Have you tried the onboarding flow yet? Is there something you think could be improved for the average user?
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     Lionel CoupouchettyRamouchetty (lionel@toot.coupou.fr)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Mar-2025 03:41:15 JST Lionel CoupouchettyRamouchetty

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     @feld
     I understand that, it's just another set of id info to keep track of. Whether it's the usual user/password combination or some encryption key is not the point. Actually having to explain people that we don't really care about the actual Id/password but only the key just adds complexity. Again I'm talking about on-boarding the average user.
     @delta @lvk